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This doctor posted on the support board and I'm a bit concerned this may be quackery and certainly not FDA approved. Maybe it's good, but it sounds scary. His post was just short of an advertisement and he offered no explanations of what has caused the problems with lasers/IPLS but says this stem cell therapy can fix it. Please see what you smart people think: http://www.anti-agingmedicine.com/home.htm
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I guess Dr. Feinerman is a bit of a controversial figure. He was apparently given short-shrift from CNN, which Dr. Feinerman recently vented about: http://www.politicolnews.com/dr-feinermans-cnn-interview/.Looking at the website, he's hit all the hot buttons! Hormones, fat graft (still to come), stem cell research, all kinds of tests and work-ups to assess a person's current state of health. Even if he isn't the best medical practitioner, he's a good marketer. I wouldn't say he's a quack, just a verrrrry aggressive person with a medical background and a huge dose of ambition. In addition to the services he may provide, it seems he would be the central referral point to other "specialists": plastic surgeons, heart specialists, diet/nutrition/fitness specialists, etc., So in the final analysis, he's like the Yellow Pages for a lot of age-related medical areas. His own passion/expertise seems to be focused on stem cells. I could see his services becoming more popular as we Baby Boomers continue to age, and want that journey to go gracefully.
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Thanks, Bug. Okay, I'm not good at sorting the scientific jargon, Kosmeds. So please, elaborate because I feel responsible for telling these people on the board that my gut feeling is what he's offering is not the answer, but I need more than my gut feeling to back that up. Anything?
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OK, I have NOT READ THE link. I shall do so later. I just want 'editorialize' on the highlighted statement: 'This may be quackery and certainly not FDA approved'. To that I say: Well just take a look at what the FDA does approve: LASERS that end up harming people. Also; "quack" is a term applied to people who don't follow the medical status quo. Year back all the alternative medicine people saying that herbs, plants and healthful foods were good for you were called 'quacks' by the medical establishment. Again, I have not read the article but my knee jerk reaction is to be 'sympatisch' with people acting outside of the med establishment and using stuff that is not 'FDA approved'. DCNGA wrote:This doctor posted on the support board and I'm a bit concerned this may be quackery and certainly not FDA approved. Maybe it's good, but it sounds scary. His post was just short of an advertisement and he offered no explanations of what has caused the problems with lasers/IPLS but says this stem cell therapy can fix it. Please see what you smart people think: http://www.anti-agingmedicine.com/home.htm
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Okay, I'm not good at sorting the scientific jargon, Kosmeds. So please, elaborate .... LOL, "blech" is not scientific jargon.
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He's doing nothing more than using the board to drum up patients or advertise. All of his posts are nearly the same. The last one contains, yet again, ways to contact him. His last post just a while ago (he does the all caps thing): Quote:STEMCELLREGENMED HAS DEVELOPED A TREATMENT PROTOCOL FOR PATIENTS DAMAGED FROM IPL, LASER AND THERMAGE TREATMENTS. THE THERAPY USES AUTOLOGOUS STEM CELLS ISOLATED FROM THE PATIENTS OWN PERIPHERAL BLOOD OR BONE MARROW. THESE STEM CELLS ARE MIXED WITH STEM CELL FACTOR, VASCULAR ENDOTHELIAL GROWTH FACTOR, G-CSF. IN ADDITION TO STIMULATE RESTORATION OF FAT LOSS PATIENTS RECEIVE ADIPOSE STEM CELL(FAT) PROTEIN EXTRACT. DNA DAMAGE AND COLLAGEN LOSS IS RESTORED WITH THE USE OF DNA PROMOTING AGENTS APPLIED BY MESOTHERAPY AND TOPICAL. BURTON FEINERMAN, M.D He won't post much beyond such things as above. He won't answer questions and he offers nothing but his contact info, really. I'm about ready to ban him, to be honest. Four of our regular members are unemployed and have no way to have something like this done, yet he offers nothing for them in the way of answers. The difference it what he offers as for FDA approval is to 'inject' you with this stuff. I don't even know how he can get away with that and claim medical improvement??? He's really getting on my last nerve.
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OK, I looked at the link. It just looks like he is a BUSINESS type who has consolidated a lot of anti-aging things under the umbrella of his business. I would assume any 'referrals' from him in the PS venue would be more out of business incentive connections than unbiased 'knowing' of who the really good PSs are.
All that hormonal stuff is part of 'anti aging'.
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If he said that 'stem cell therapy can fix it' (laser damage), well that resolves to what a lot of people end up doing with laser damage when they get FAT LOSS from it--get f/gs.
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I've told him no more plastering his info all over the board or it will be considered advertising. If he does it again, I'm deleting it.
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What did his post say?
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He keeps posting this sort of thing, but answers no questions and offers no solutions but a way to contact him. This is what he posted on the board a couple of hours ago: STEMCELLREGENMED HAS DEVELOPED A TREATMENT PROTOCOL FOR PATIENTS DAMAGED FROM IPL, LASER AND THERMAGE TREATMENTS. THE THERAPY USES AUTOLOGOUS STEM CELLS ISOLATED FROM THE PATIENTS OWN PERIPHERAL BLOOD OR BONE MARROW. THESE STEM CELLS ARE MIXED WITH STEM CELL FACTOR, VASCULAR ENDOTHELIAL GROWTH FACTOR, G-CSF. IN ADDITION TO STIMULATE RESTORATION OF FAT LOSS PATIENTS RECEIVE ADIPOSE STEM CELL(FAT) PROTEIN EXTRACT. DNA DAMAGE AND COLLAGEN LOSS IS RESTORED WITH THE USE OF DNA PROMOTING AGENTS APPLIED BY MESOTHERAPY AND TOPICAL. BURTON FEINERMAN, M.D
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Mesotherapy has its own set of issues and has been largely discredited, I believe. That is their method of application, it seems--or injections, per his website.
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Ask him for PHOTOS of before and after.
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Here's the transcript from a CNN interview (Bug posted) with him from last year. He can only do this in PERU!!! It's not even something that can be done here and these women can't go to Peru for goddsake! Quote:(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We met in a hotel room in Tampa. Later this very day, 80-year-old Dr. Burton Feinerman would fly to Peru to meet three Americans he says will be treated with stem cells. The patients, he says, all terminally ill.
Are you curing these diseases?
DR. BURTON FEINERMAN, STEMCELLSREGENMED.COM: I never use the word "cure" with people because number one, our work is only been over the past three years.
GRIFFIN: He doesn't use words like "cure" on his Web site. He uses the words "treatment" and "hope" and offers pictures and stories of those he says he has helped. The work is done at this clinic in Lima, Peru because the treatment is not approved in the United States.
The idea is tantalizingly simple -- take healthy embryonic or even umbilical cord stem cells, inject them into a diseased body where they would repair the damage. Scientific studies have yet to prove that works, only some progress in laboratory animals. The FDA has only just approved a single clinical trial. But that hasn't stopped Dr. Feinerman from charging patients with cancer to muscular dystrophy between $8,000 to $25,000 to at least see if simple injections could work.
Isn't it exactly what you're doing is just experimenting on these people?
FEINERMAN: Yes, and people are fully aware...
GRIFFIN: Charging them large amounts of money to do those experiments?
FEINERMAN: The amount of money is large. And -- but it basically is pretty close to my costs.
GRIFFIN: In an e-mail after this interview, Dr. Feinerman said, "We are not selling snake oil, but our scientific approach to diseases that are not available in the USA." He admits his background in stem cell research is limited.
FEINERMAN: I, myself, trained at the Mayo Clinic and have been in medical practice for over 50 years. So -- and we also have...
GRIFFIN: But you never trained in stem cell research.
FEINERMAN: No.
GRIFFIN: You've gone to some international conferences, self- taught?
FEINERMAN: Right.
GRIFFIN: Right?
FEINERMAN: That's true.
GRIFFIN: And now you're basically taking people from the United States to other countries because the procedures can't legally be done here?
FEINERMAN: That is right. But, again, the person I am the organizer, so to speak. I'm the person who does an enormous amount of reading and visiting and discovering and putting protocols together that have -- that appear to work in other countries.
GRIFFIN: But aren't you, in the end, just peddling hope? Peddling hope with no real proven cures?
FEINERMAN: I take offense to the word "peddling." And I want to -- I feel that we're not just offering hope and holding their hand, we're offering a realistic -- what we feel is a scientific medical treatment.
GRIFFIN: Thousands of Americans are seeking that very treatment. Desperate people, many of them with incurable diseases who will take a chance paying tens of thousands of dollars for promises of treatment overseas.
Drew Griffin, CNN, Tampa, Florida. (END VIDEOTAPE)
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He's posted again with ANOTHER ADVERTISEMENT. One more and he's banned.
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This is just the skin page:
[For men in treating aging, sun damaged skin with wrinkles: use liposomal creams]
Liposome is just a fancy way to say lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine, one of the few physiological emulsifiers.
[ that contains a skin growth factor]
Not quite uselss but pretty much so.
[an anti-oxidant (idebenome [sic]), CAE ( carboxy alkyl esters- extracts from cat’s claw) repairs DNA damage]
not quite useless but pretty much so.
[an exfoliant such as Avage-Tazarotene ]
agree with this
[(or Glycolic Acid or Lactic Acid or Salicylic Acid)]
rates a distant second after tretinoin or tazarotene
[ alpha lipoic acid, Vitamin C Ester]
useless, useless
[ Niacin ]
mildly useful
[and Zinc]
could do better with Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane
(Avobenzone),Bis- Ethylhexyloxyphenol
Methoxyphenol Triazine (Tinosorb S),Drometrizole Trisiloxane (Mexoryl XL),Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl
Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), and Terephthalylidene dicamphor sulfonic acid (Ecamsule, Mexoryl SX).
[In some men if their estrogen levels are high use a progesterone 10 mg. cream]
controversial
[ if their DHEA level is low take 25 mg. DHEA orally and if their Melatonin level is low add 1-3 mg. orally daily]
bunk
[low Melatonin use Melatonin 1-3 mg. orally once daily.]
bunk
[An effective anti-aging facial is a treatment with Caviar and Retinol which is indicated in all types of skin in the prevention and repair of skin aging. This therapy is particularly effective in individuals with markedly sagging, atonic, wrinkled skin(following significant weight loss or stress); skin exposed to marked weather conditions(wind, sun, extremes of cold weather); mature senescent of prematurely aged skin.]
Complete bunk. Retinol is no more than 1/24th as effective as tretinoin, will not do a thing for wrinkles or sags.
Caviar won't do anything.
[Another effective facial treatment is a facial with Alginates and Myoxinol which are natural ingredients of marine and botanical extracts. Myoxinol acts topically and reduces facial muscle contractions resulting in diminished wrinkles.]
Some marine extracts provide minor photoprotection. Myoxinol is just another plant extract, it's not going to do anything. There are a lot of new "actives" from cosmetics companies that do very limited testing with insignificant results but elaborate claims.
[Treatments that markedly can serve as maintanence skin care program include: Foto Facial Intense Pulse Light Treatments]
I don't think I need to say anything about this.
[Chemical peels utilize Glycolic, Salicylic, Lactic Acid or Retinoic Acid to remove dead skin tissue. There is very minimal discomfort and there may be some redness of the skin that lasts for a short time and mild to moderate peeling that occurs between days 3 and 5 that are easily controlled with an extra strength moisturizer. Treatments schedules at one to three month intervals will help to maintain beautiful soft, smooth skin.]
These are the superficial ones. Don't expect much for deeper lines, don't expect anything for sags or indented scars.
[Photodynamic therapy combines the use of Levulan activated by a light to treat marked sagging, aging, sun damaged skin and acne scars. The treatment is painless. There may be some redness and peeling after these treatments.]
Another expensive device that will do nothing for sagging.
[DNA skin repair utilizes actual DNA and/or skin fibroblasts applied topically. This method helps to repair damaged skin DNA. This process rejuvenates the skin resulting in a youthful appearance. Fine lines, pigmentation, rough skin, acne scars will diminish with this kind of therapy. This form of treatment gets the best results when it is combined with DNA testing and using the results to add oral pharmaneutraceuticals to modify gene and DNA expression.]
This is fairy tales except that some hormones and vitamins that are really more like hormones really will modify gene expression.
[Microdermabrasion helps to re-surface the skin and get rid of superficial dead layers. It is painless and there is no down time. It is best to have several professional microdermabrasion treatments done at the office followed by home microdermabrasion therapy.]
Expensive and largely useless.
Some of the other things he mentions are still in infancy. Others are bunk. There is no way under the sun to lengthen telomeres, no way to undo the bad age/lifestyle related collagen crosslinks from glycation.
Yes, mesotherapy is quackery. So's most of the site.
I think a calorie-restricted diet with very high nutrient density and low glycotoxin load is a good idea for everyone, along with weight-bearing exercise, cardio, and sun protection, with prudent hormonal replacement on a case-by-case basis. Most of this is just plain hard work and common sense.
But all his buzz words are just kind of cheesy and selling false hope.
That he operates out of Peru is very telling.
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Y'know what? BAN HIM. He can pay cold, hard cash to get a link from Google searches and even other online medical-related sites where MARKETERS pay for "qualified" leads (if you could call a click-through to a website "qualified"). I definitely think he's milking the system - you've got a message board with a perfect, "pre-qualified" target market for him: poor souls who've been damaged by laser-gone-bad, who would even consult with a stem cell researcher for a cure. Ack. He'll get by just fine withoutcha. ============================= DCNGA wrote:He's doing nothing more than using the board to drum up patients or advertise. All of his posts are nearly the same. The last one contains, yet again, ways to contact him.
His last post just a while ago (he does the all caps thing):
He won't post much beyond such things as above. He won't answer questions and he offers nothing but his contact info, really. I'm about ready to ban him, to be honest. Four of our regular members are unemployed and have no way to have something like this done, yet he offers nothing for them in the way of answers.
The difference it what he offers as for FDA approval is to 'inject' you with this stuff. I don't even know how he can get away with that and claim medical improvement??? He's really getting on my last nerve.
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I think the guy is a little over his head in the general skin care and filler department as in, one would not have to go to HIM for those things. They could go to a derm. But for stem cell therapy, people DO go abroad for that. Some go to Russia or China where the stem cells are from fetuses (which is controversial and they don't do here) but people are going to places for that stuff. Stem cells show a lot of promise and when people get a good f/g--like one they LIKE that STAYS THERE, some of what's going on can be attributed to stem cells.
Some docs who do f/gs don't even like the word; "retention" because in some cases, people can end up 'growing' MORE fat that was ever put in (so how does one look at "retention" when the after volume is more than ever put in?). In essence, something is going on with stem cells that has a good potential to do something (favorable).
Dr. Vacari at MGH used stem cells (over a matrix) to grow a new liver. I went to his lecture on that. It's just in the US, it's hard to get those kind of treatments.
Now, this guy could be a 'shark' just spamming your board but for stem cell therapies, people DO need to go abroad for them. So, I would not say just because he does them in Peru, that means he is a 'quack'
Wonder if there are message boards (there probably are) on Stem Cell Therapy with patients on them.
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The US is pretty 'behind' in stem cell treatments and people are going to want to try those when medical treatments you can get HERE fail. I think they have promise but I also think those places abroad are CHARGING TOO MUCH for them.
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