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Sarah W
Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:47:41 PM
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There must have been some problems with it as many PS's warn against it yet many also use it routinely.
I wonder why you cannot remove it? Surely it is no worse than a calcified fat lump? It would have to be excised I am guessing
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Amber wrote:
I've PM'ed you, Dee.


Got it : )

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delilah wrote:
I think aging has more to do with fat loss, but So I'm gonna say yes on the sun giving at least the appearance of fat loss over time.

Mostly stayed out of the sun in my life as I was always sensitive to heat & am one of those weird people who doesn't like the feel of direct sun on her bare skin. As a teen I was diagnosed with an unrelated Cancer & the doctor gave me a much longer dosage of radiation than people usually get -over 30 sessions in the area on my thigh where the cancer was. After it healed a few months later, I was left with a permanent tan in the treated area that was about 6 shades darker than the rest of my skin and it became wrinkly and leathery, lax skin that was no longer elastic. It was as if the treated area had aged 60 years while the rest of me stayed in the present. I was a teen so seeing dry, leathery wrinkles on a part of my body was weird. It also had the appearance of losing fat as well, but that could be because the skin laxity gives the illusion of fat loss; after all the skin there actually feels thinner to the touch compared to the other thigh. It stayed like that permanently, but unless I wear a bathing suit people don't see the area anyway so I usually forget about it completely. Whether it's illusion or real, there is definitely the appearance of fat loss. I think high beam radiation does in a few weeks what decades of intense sun exposure does to skin. But the atmosphere protects us from most of the sun's strong rays making the effect from the sun much more gradual & less dramatic. Isn't the effects of intense radiation therapy a good test in determining the affects of the sun?


Oh gosh, that's terrible you had cancer and especially so young. Hope you are in full remission now x

And thanks for your input regarding radiation and ageing. For me it was really tanning beds that did the damage where the UVA is a lot more intense than regular sunlight. I've seen pics of others with damage from tanning beds and there is just a different sort of appearance to the skin compared to those who baked in the sun.

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For me it was really tanning beds that did the damage where the UVA is a lot more intense than regular sunlight. I've seen pics of others with damage from tanning beds and there is just a different sort of appearance to the skin compared to those who baked in the sun.

Yes, UVB and UVA have different action spectra. UVA is much more involved in skin sagging while UVB is more involved in wrinkling and burning.

UVB penetrates to just below the outermost part of the dermis while UVA penetrates all the way through the subcutaneous fat.

I lost most of my facial fat by my late 20s, long after I stopped tanning. But I lost almost all of the rest of it over the next 15 years, when I had essentially zero sun exposure through appropriate use of sunscreens and hats/visors/sunglasses.
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kosmeds wrote:
For me it was really tanning beds that did the damage where the UVA is a lot more intense than regular sunlight. I've seen pics of others with damage from tanning beds and there is just a different sort of appearance to the skin compared to those who baked in the sun.

Yes, UVB and UVA have different action spectra. UVA is much more involved in skin sagging while UVB is more involved in wrinkling and burning.

UVB penetrates to just below the outermost part of the dermis while UVA penetrates all the way through the subcutaneous fat.

I lost most of my facial fat by my late 20s, long after I stopped tanning. But I lost almost all of the rest of it over the next 15 years,
when I had essentially zero sun exposure through appropriate use of sunscreens and hats/visors/sunglasses.



Hey Kosmed -

Why do you think that happened? Were you genetically programmed for that to happen? as late twenties is pretty young to have most of your fat go -

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[Why do you think that happened? Were you genetically programmed for that to happen? as late twenties is pretty young to have most of your fat go ]

No, most papers state this process occurs usually in the late 20s to early 30s. But it's apparent mostly (only?) in people who do not gain weight as they age who are slender.

I didn't really notice it until I saw some pictures of myself. When my mother was in the last stages of cancer and dying, I lost my appetite and dipped below 100 lbs and it wasn't just my face but also my arms. It took about a year to get my 10 lbs back but my face never got full again.

I think in the last 30 years or so a lot of what used to be considered normal is now considered to be pathological and vice versa. Most people are overweight or obese and their faces pack a lot of fat. Normal or slender people over 30 can look gaunt in comparison. I think the problem is worse for men since they tend to be of much lower body fat.
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kosmeds wrote:

Yes, UVB and UVA have different action spectra. UVA is much more involved in skin sagging while UVB is more involved in wrinkling and burning.

UVB penetrates to just below the outermost part of the dermis while UVA penetrates all the way through the subcutaneous fat.

I lost most of my facial fat by my late 20s, long after I stopped tanning. But I lost almost all of the rest of it over the next 15 years, when I had essentially zero sun exposure through appropriate use of sunscreens and hats/visors/sunglasses.


Wow, I'm not looking forward to the next 15 years then! I will try to keep my weight stable and not dip below 110lb. The problem for me is that even at a lower weight I still store plenty of fat on the bottom half, it's just my upper body and face that suffer...sigh.

Wouldn't it be brilliant if docs found a way to actually target specific fat cells to expand or shrink in size rather than the traditional liposuction and fat grafting techniques to remove or add fat cells.

Larazelle
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Dee wrote:


Wow, I'm not looking forward to the next 15 years then! I will try to keep my weight stable and not dip below 110lb. The problem for me is that even at a lower weight I still store plenty of fat on the bottom half, it's just my upper body and face that suffer...sigh.

Wouldn't it be brilliant if docs found a way to actually target specific fat cells to expand or shrink in size rather than the traditional liposuction and fat grafting techniques to remove or add fat cells.



Hey Dee -

its not really a problem in this day and age - we are lucky to have lipo and fat grafting - its our poor mothers that suffered - just go and get your ass liposuctioned out and keep your present weight - and then do some filler if you like - end of problem -

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Plus maybe add some of that @ss fat to my boobs lol.

stache
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Here's a joke a friend of mine sent me recently -

The Miracle Of Toilet Paper


Fresh from my shower, I stand in front of the mirror
complaining to my husband that my breasts are too
small.

Instead of characteristically telling me it's not so,
he un-characteristically comes up with a
suggestion.

"If you want your breasts to grow, then every day
take a piece of toilet paper and rub it between
them for a few seconds."

Willing to try anything, I fetch a piece of toilet paper
and stand in front of the mirror, rubbing it between
my breasts....

"How long will this take?" I asked.
"They will grow larger over a period of years," my
husband replies.

I stopped. " Do you really think rubbing a piece of
toilet paper between my breasts every day will make
my breasts larger over the years?"

Without missing a beat he says "Worked for your
butt, didn't it?"

He's still alive, and with a great deal of therapy,
he may even walk again.
Sarah W
Posted: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:48:17 PM
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LMAO!!
Dee
Posted: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:09:08 PM
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Ha ha, good one Stache : D

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