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george
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:39:06 AM
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I have posted in days past that i was looking for a whitening product to get me one or two shades lighter. I contacted a dermatologist and let him know of my situation. I have perfectly healthy skin, no scarring, or acne whatsoever. I asked him if he could supply me kojic acid or hydroquinone and he stated that it would not be possible. He also wished me luck in finding such a product. So my question to you guys is; If a dermatologist cant give me such a product, who can? Again, i am a perfectly healthy skinned latino looking to be a shade or two lighter in skin tone.
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Hi George, try to wear sunblock.

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Well, obviously when you look at cases like Michael Jackson, it is possible. However, MJ did have a medical problem which justified a prescription. You can see other celebs who obviously lighten their skin with some product. With a strong topical I would guess there are potential side effects. I assume you've already tried strict sun avoidance....I am guessing you could find a dermatologist who WOULD prescribe or that there is an internet black market for such products....

Ryan
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I know this is controversial, but I am very curious as to what the peopl are using to get lighter. Shakira certainly used something that has made her look like a full-on white girl. Would love to know what she did. Sammy Sota (sp?) did not turn out so well as he looks grey now.
kk25
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Ryan wrote:
I know this is controversial, but I am very curious as to what the peopl are using to get lighter. Shakira certainly used something that has made her look like a full-on white girl. Would love to know what she did. Sammy Sota (sp?) did not turn out so well as he looks grey now.


Actually shakira had lighter skin before she became famous in the US,
but later on when she started singing in English she went for a tan,blond look .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1RV4qVDd_c&feature=related


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shakira_01.jpg

MissJ
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:36:23 PM
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You can buy 'Porcellena' which is a skin lightening cream in most drug stores like CVS. Another brand is 'Ambi'. They are sold to Afro-American market. So, they might be found in that section. It's only 2% hydroquinone though. Not the 4% for which you need a script.



george wrote:
I have posted in days past that i was looking for a whitening product to get me one or two shades lighter. I contacted a dermatologist and let him know of my situation. I have perfectly healthy skin, no scarring, or acne whatsoever. I asked him if he could supply me kojic acid or hydroquinone and he stated that it would not be possible. He also wished me luck in finding such a product. So my question to you guys is; If a dermatologist cant give me such a product, who can? Again, i am a perfectly healthy skinned latino looking to be a shade or two lighter in skin tone.


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DCNGA
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:58:27 PM
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Well, Sammy Sosa used some kind of "cosmetic" cream to lighten his skin:






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pursuit of a lighter complexion, some people could be putting their health at risk.

Some skin-lightening products have dangerous side effects for those who misuse them or buy counterfeit brands, dermatologists say.

Also known as bleaching creams, these products "are a double-edged sword," says Dr. George Cohen, assistant professor of Dermatology and Cutaneous Surgery at the University of South Florida. "The effects are good initially, but if you use the products for a long time they can cause serious damage to your skin."

The New York Times recently profiled a 45-year-old woman who used lightening creams, including Fair & White and Hyprogel, for years to brighten her face, neck and hands. In addition to getting lighter skin, she now has persistent acne and broken capillaries, and her skin bruises at the slightest touch. All three conditions were side effects of prescription-strength steroids in over-the-counter bleaching creams she bought at a beauty supply store.

Some bleaching creams contain powerful steroids that thin the skin; others contain hydroquinone, a dangerous and toxic chemical that interferes with the skin's pigmentation process. Hydroquinone has been banned in several countries. The chemical has been linked to kidney damage and some kinds of cancer. It also can cause low birth weight in babies when mothers use it during pregnancy.

In the United States, hydroquinone is classified as an over-the-counter drug that may be used in
concentrations of up to 2 percent. Creams and gels with a hydroquinone concentration of up to 4 percent are available with a prescription.

Dermatologists say bleaching creams with hydroquinone and steroids are safe to reduce the appearance of brown spots or smaller blemishes – if used as directed and only for a short period of time.

"You can get over-the-counter hydroquinone in relatively low concentrations, but these are short-term medications," Cohen says. "They shouldn't be used for more than four weeks. The use of hydroquinone for long periods can create worse pigmentation rather than lighter skin."

Long-term use of use of bleaching creams lead to a disfiguring condition called ochronosis, a skin disorder marked by darkening and thickening of the skin. Misuse also can lead to hypertension, elevated blood pressure and stretch marks.

The ease with which illegal skin whiteners can be purchased online also has contributed to more cases of skin damage, Cohen says.

He recently treated a patient for black blotches on her skin. For years she had been using a skin whitener she ordered online from Jamaica.

When Cohen checked the ingredients, he found it contained mercury, an illegal toxin that can damage the nervous system.

"I wasn't so much worried about her skin as I was the exposure to mercury," he says. "The main problem with people buying unknown cosmetics is that they don't know what's in them."

Not everyone uses a bleaching cream for medical purposes, or to treat one troubling spot. In many societies, there is often greater acceptance of light skin than dark skin, Cohen says. In certain countries, the lighter you are, the higher your status socially and economically. Light skin may be seen as a mark of beauty, intelligence and success.

Former Chicago Cubs slugger Sammy Sosa surprised fans in November when he was photographed at the Latin Grammys with much lighter skin. Sosa later acknowledged using skin-bleaching creams.
"No one likes admitting to using these creams to better their lives, but many do," Cohen says.

Anyone who has a problem with hyperpigmentation, or skin darkening, should see a dermatologist to be evaluated. If a bleaching cream causes redness, burning or itching, you should immediately discontinue using it.

"If you correct the underlying medical problem, the hyperpigmentation often will resolve itself. Don't try to do it yourself," Cohen says. "If you decide to use [a bleaching cream], make sure you know what ingredients it contains."




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rev3
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:48:07 PM
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a dermatologist of course can help you lighten your skin

it's just that YOUR dermatologist can't or won't

when you do find a doctor you can help you just be careful and talk to and meet with their former patients
george
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Hey guys, I appreciate all of your posts. You guys are right. A dermatologist should have the option to give me lighter skin. I just think that this dermatologist refused to. Miss J, I appreciate you mentioning these creams but at the same time its like DCNGA post states, they are dangerous. This is why I wanted to go to a dermatologist. And yes, I have tried everything from wearing sun block and covering my face completely to kojic acid and lemon on my face. Nothing seems to work. I dont get darker, I just stay the same skin tone.
MissJ
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Well, hydroquinone has been under fire. But that is the stuff used to lighten the skin.

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AValmont
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:11:22 PM
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I would be suprised if there wasnt a laser therapy out there that lightens the melanin in the skin, similar to the way lasers target dark hair and destroy the folicle.
DCNGA
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Phenol peel or deep enough Co2 can both cause hypopigmentation but you are going to have demarcation and doubtful that it will be possible to avoid it being noticeable. Neither is normally used on the neck or chest.

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Your face is probably a shade or two darker than your rear end, assuming you don't sunbathe in the nude.

You can make it the same color as your rear end with sun protection. Get a wide-brimmed hat or visor and wrap sunglasses and invest in a high PPD (persistent pigment darkening, a UVA protection measure) sunscreen from Europe such as La Roche Posay Anthelios or Bioderma Photoderm, these can provide PPD of 28-40 or higher whereas USA formulations go up to 15 only, those very high PPDs really block out almost all the pigment producing rays. Six weeks of faithful use should bring you up a shade or two. You can speed this up with a prescription retinoid and/or mild AHA peels by hastening cell turnover. These are safe and effective for long-term use.

Other skin lighteners are not as effective as hydroquinone or monobenzone but probably safer, you could try

licorice extract
ascorbic acid
niacinamide
kojic acid
azelaic acid
oral glutathione

they will be mild and not do much harm.

I would not mess with arbutin or bearberry/mulberry extracts, these are closely related to HQ so very similar mode of action but not as effective.

But if you are not faithful with the sun protection forever, unless you permanently disable the melanocytes, your color will come back.
MissJ
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:10:04 PM
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Porcellana has been around for years. People buy it over and over. I remember that stuff when I was a kid and I'm in my 50's. I know hyroquinone is now under fire but the low 2% dose has been a trusted product for a long time.

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marky
Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:27:47 AM
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aghh why are you trying to look lighter? I think I remember your pics from a while back. you're good-looking and your skin is beautiful. as someone who has a lot of regrets about past surgeries I urge you to really, really think this through (I'm not saying you haven't). I'm a bit confused about why people are encouraging this (by naming treatments). darker skin isn't a flaw
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I don't think any of us think dark skin is a flaw. If someone asks a question, we are offering ideas to achieve their goal. That does not mean any of us necessarily agree with the goal, but we are offering options to possibly achieve that goal. Some are hell bent on their ideas and goals (Y comes to mind), so offering what we can.

Personally, if it was me, I would simply use sunblock (European brands with higher PPD) and let nature do what nature does. That is the most prudent, safest route and is healthy to boot. Protecting our skin from oxidative stress is optimal. If a side benefit is that your skin is lighter, and you want that, then all the better.

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DCNGA wrote:
I don't think any of us think dark skin is a flaw. If someone asks a question, we are offering ideas to achieve their goal. That does not mean any of us necessarily agree with the goal, but we are offering options to possibly achieve that goal. Some are hell bent on their ideas and goals (Y comes to mind), so offering what we can.

Personally, if it was me, I would simply use sunblock (European brands with higher PPD) and let nature do what nature does. That is the most prudent, safest route and is healthy to boot. Protecting our skin from oxidative stress is optimal. If a side benefit is that your skin is lighter, and you want that, then all the better.



I agree 100 with what DCNGA wrote .

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kosmeds wrote:
Your face is probably a shade or two darker than your rear end, assuming you don't sunbathe in the nude.

You can make it the same color as your rear end with sun protection. Get a wide-brimmed hat or visor and wrap sunglasses and invest in a high PPD (persistent pigment darkening, a UVA protection measure) sunscreen from Europe such as La Roche Posay Anthelios or Bioderma Photoderm, these can provide PPD of 28-40 or higher whereas USA formulations go up to 15 only, those very high PPDs really block out almost all the pigment producing rays. Six weeks of faithful use should bring you up a shade or two. You can speed this up with a prescription retinoid and/or mild AHA peels by hastening cell turnover. These are safe and effective for long-term use.


I wish this was true....as my rear end is pale white. But I've been sun avoidant for the last almost two years, always wear a hat and high SPF protection, keep my body covered as much as possible and my skin has not lightened all that much. I still have darker skin on my arms, face, neck, back, legs and that awful neckline ring. I also have used Retin A for the last year with questionable results. I have heard chemical peels can help lighten the skin but I have never had one. That might be next, if I can get up the courage. Still hoping my skin will lighten but I think I might have to accept it may not.
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rm1961 wrote:


I wish this was true....as my rear end is pale white. But I've been sun avoidant for the last almost two years, always wear a hat and high SPF protection, keep my body covered as much as possible and my skin has not lightened all that much. I still have darker skin on my arms, face, neck, back, legs and that awful neckline ring. I also have used Retin A for the last year with questionable results. I have heard chemical peels can help lighten the skin but I have never had one. That might be next, if I can get up the courage. Still hoping my skin will lighten but I think I might have to accept it may not.


It is true.

First:
You mention SPF but SPF does not measure protection from the tanning response, only burning. For protection from tanning, you need to invest in a very high PPD sunscreen. Euro formulations only. You have never had high UVA protection and yet you insist it doesn't work.

Second
Your hat is only as good as the protection it provides, which will vary by time of day and by the width of the brim (is it more than 5 inches?), but it will not protect you from reflections from the pavement, sand, water, magazine pages, etc. which is why you still need sunscreen underneath.

Third:
Whatever it is you are using, you are almost certainly not applying enough or reapplying often enough. Most people apply less than 1/3 of the amount used to measure the protection factors but get far less than the expected amount of protection because the relationship between amount applied and resulting protection is not linear, it's more like a log relationship. If you get a tube that states SPF 50+, PPD 32, you won't get that protection unless you apply about 1/4 tsp to your face every two hours or so. For your entire body if you go to the beach expect to use an entire 4 oz of sunscreen if you want the full protection. Otherwise you get only a small fraction of it. Casual or scant use will not cut it. Ineffectual protection = ineffectual results.

I don't know your skin type and I am hesitant to recommend a specific product but try http://pharmazon.gr ; their prices are reasonable and they have a number of very high UVA protection formulas.

And yes, deeper peels will make it happen faster.
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george wrote:
I have posted in days past that i was looking for a whitening product to get me one or two shades lighter. I contacted a dermatologist and let him know of my situation. I have perfectly healthy skin, no scarring, or acne whatsoever. I asked him if he could supply me kojic acid or hydroquinone and he stated that it would not be possible. He also wished me luck in finding such a product. So my question to you guys is; If a dermatologist cant give me such a product, who can? Again, i am a perfectly healthy skinned latino looking to be a shade or two lighter in skin tone.


HYDROQUINONE and BENOQUIN

reports are that
police found 19 tubes of hydroquinone and 18 tubes of Benoquin, two skin lightening agents in the home of Michael Jackson.

not sure if he had any other procedure for this but at least you know he was using these products.

by the by, coroner said he did suffer from vitiligo...not that there's anything wrong with it if he didn't (just saying...)
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