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Larazelle
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violeta wrote:

You make good points, but you make it seem as if women all looked 'aged' in their 30s, 40s. This is not always the case, especially not in a time where many if us have practiced preventive aging routines, healthy diets, exercise, etc for years. Women can stay looking younger for longer now, and we are living much longer too. I know we will all eventually age but you are not realistic when you include women in their 30s as being aged. If you saw how many single women in cities are amongst younger ones, you often can't tell the age difference. It also depends on lifestyle, since there are women late 20s with crows feet, bad skin, or smokers lines, vs early mid 30 women who may look younger because they didn't smoke and didn't tan. Aging signs are largely environmental



Violeta - you quite right about women looking younger than their age - and especially now due to pervasive plastic surgery - I know someone who is 53 and everyone thinks she is in her mid-thirties - this woman has had a bit of PS - nothing major - and she is on HRT - I really think in the fifties looking young is largely a matter of hormones - and women age rapidly after menopause if they don't take hormones -

As for living longer - I think that is a mixed blessing - I know a few people in their eighties who would rather have not lived that long LOL - and for pretty women it is very hard to watch your face and body deteriorate - In fact I sometimes wonder about the people on this board who are so obsessed with face and body - what are they going to do when they hit 80? no amount of PS or laser is going to make them look young - very few 80 year olds look like they are 35 ....



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violeta wrote:

You make good points, but you make it seem as if women all looked 'aged' in their 30s, 40s. This is not always the case, especially not in a time where many if us have practiced preventive aging routines, healthy diets, exercise, etc for years. Women can stay looking younger for longer now, and we are living much longer too. I know we will all eventually age but you are not realistic when you include women in their 30s as being aged. If you saw how many single women in cities are amongst younger ones, you often can't tell the age difference. It also depends on lifestyle, since there are women late 20s with crows feet, bad skin, or smokers lines, vs early mid 30 women who may look younger because they didn't smoke and didn't tan. Aging signs are largely environmental



If a woman is on this forum then it is a pretty good guess she is concious and takes care of her appearances so I could see women in thier 30's and 40's on this forum, who take care of themselves and look good. However, most women are not aware how bad sun damage can age them since the damage takes a while to be seen. Now also let also take into account of how americans have a tendency to indulge in high bad fat/sugar/too much cal and no exersice diet, which leads 60 percent of the population to be overweight and most of the weight is added when aging progresses.

Now I haven't seen a picture of you so you might look 10 years younger than you are, also before my current gf I dated a 30 and 33 year old who were really great women that looked much younger than they were. So I didn't really mean to make it seem that 30's are aged or undatable or whatnot.
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Revolver wrote:

I have reached the same conclusions as yatterman and he's right. Ugly guys get nothing. Nothing. Period. That is the rule. There are exceptions to every rule but that is the rule.


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adas1 wrote:


However, most women are not aware how bad sun damage can age them since the damage takes a while to be seen. Now also let also take into account of how americans have a tendency to indulge in high bad fat/sugar/too much cal and no exersice diet, which leads 60 percent of the population to be overweight and most of the weight is added when aging progresses.


You are right, that many women still are unaware of the factors that contribute to 'premature' aging, especially sun damage. But sometimes I really wonder where these women have been, since articles of sun protection are practically in every female magazine,,talked about on talk shows, product commercials, etc. So even if a woman isn't actively researching ways to look her best, or on these type of forums, or don't go to dermatologists, etc. the message has been around for a few yrs now.
Maybe some women just don't care enough or maybe don't really think it will happen to them. I also believe that women who are single and in their 30s, tend to make their appearance a higher priority than those who are married with kids. Ok, I know women w/young kids who are married and still look fantastic, in shape, etc. BUT I am referring to the vast majority of the U.S. population, where you see women running around with kids, stressed, sleep deprived, etc. there are many who really don't have the time to take care of themselves much. Some do, but I think it's not the majority. They have other priorities, and it's understandable. Then some have nannies and could afford the monthly facials, and have people do their errands, etc. So it does depend.
My point is that maybe when some men and people in general think about women getting 'older' or no longer appealing visually when they pass 30, they are often conjuring up images of women in the traditional sense, i.e. who are married/w 2-3 kids by the time they are in their 30s.
I know women my age (some extended family) in the suburbs are married with kids, and I've had women my exact age think I'm still in my 20s. I don't think I look significantly younger, but I do take care of myself more. They have asked what's my skincare routine, etc. There are some who say it's too much work and just want to get to bed at night after dealing with kids. I understand that also. I also have the time to get to exercise more, engage in dance, and other activities. I also am able to sleep longer than they do.
But the point is that not all women HAVE to age the same way,just because they are a certain age and alot depends on environmental factors.
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Julia Ione wrote:
i grew up in Manhattan. It is notorious for having more women than men. 5 to 1 ratio - I have even read 10 to 1. women to men. So it is in part a numbers game. There are less men in NYC than women.


First off theres no way its 5 to 1 or even 3 to 1 so I call shenanigans on that.

Secondly even if you were to create a hypothetical UNIVERSE (bound by all of the same laws as this one is) but only with a 5 female to 1 male ratio....ugly guys would STILL get nothing and I will explain why.

Girls would rather simply be single than date an ugly guy. So if all the good looking and average guys were single...they would simply stay single.

See....ALL females have value in the dating game....to men having a 400lb girl is better than having nothing at all....ergo why morbidly obese women have no problem getting guys.

Now men....not all men have value...in fact....some men have negative value. In other words if a guy is ugly he is seen as WORSE than having nothing....therefore his value is less than 0.

In laymen's terms....with a fat ugly girl...its like 20 bucks.....its not a lot of money...but its better than nothing.

With ugly GUYS...its like being 100,000 in debt (and having no money)....its better to have nothing than to have debt.
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First off theres no way its 5 to 1 or even 3 to 1 so I call shenanigans on that.

Secondly even if you were to create a hypothetical UNIVERSE (bound by all of the same laws as this one is) but only with a 5 female to 1 male ratio....ugly guys would STILL get nothing and I will explain why.

Girls would rather simply be single than date an ugly guy. So if all the good looking and average guys were single...they would simply stay single.

See....ALL females have value in the dating game....to men having a 400lb girl is better than having nothing at all....ergo why morbidly obese women have no problem getting guys.

Now men....not all men have value...in fact....some men have negative value. In other words if a guy is ugly he is seen as WORSE than having nothing....therefore his value is less than 0.

In laymen's terms....with a fat ugly girl...its like 20 bucks.....its not a lot of money...but its better than nothing.

With ugly GUYS...its like being 100,000 in debt (and having no money)....its better to have nothing than to have debt.


LMAO
I feel for you, since you seem to really have had very bad luck with women. I know you won't believe me, but I can tell you that I know ugly, much more unattractive -than you claim to be, since I actually think you are ok looking with great lips- and have decent looking women, and not all obese women. Maybe you just haven't seen them, and it's true that 'young' girls your age group tend to want very cute guys. But trust me, these girls eventually will grow up (hopefully) and see that personality counts more long term. I know, looks do matter for everyone, of course, But looks are not the ONLY factor that keep a relationship interesting or going for long.
But I do hope you accomplish your aesthetic goals, since I know they will make you more confident.
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Larazelle wrote:


Violeta - you quite right about women looking younger than their age - and especially now due to pervasive plastic surgery - I know someone who is 53 and everyone thinks she is in her mid-thirties - this woman has had a bit of PS - nothing major - and she is on HRT - I really think in the fifties looking young is largely a matter of hormones - and women age rapidly after menopause if they don't take hormones -

As for living longer - I think that is a mixed blessing - I know a few people in their eighties who would rather have not lived that long LOL - and for pretty women it is very hard to watch your face and body deteriorate - In fact I sometimes wonder about the people on this board who are so obsessed with face and body - what are they going to do when they hit 80? no amount of PS or laser is going to make them look young - very few 80 year olds look like they are 35 ....



I completely agree, I really don't think a person who is ultra obsessed with their looks will like to be 80. I do think a person can reasonably (with the right procedures combined with self care over yrs) can look 10-20 yrs younger, but aiming beyond that can look strange. Unless they come up with the antiaging super pill in the next few yrs, which I doubt. lol
But what I meant about women living longer is that they also now have a different perspective on life. Just think in the early 1900s, life expectancy was only up to late 40s, 50ish. So naturally people behaved a certain way by 30, and were considered old.
Now women at 50ish can expect to live at least 30 yrs+ (as long as she's healthy, and no accidents). So it's not like our grandmother's generation. Now many women are divorced at 45,50 (which is another reason I never thought marrying young is always ideal) and start working out maybe, get some p.s. if they can, and many do start looking younger and acting younger too.Not like immature teens, but just a more lively attitude toward life. I have a coworker 55, who swing dances with her boyfriend, 42, and they both look about the same age. She has alot of energy and tells me her generation is not like her mom's, and she's having alot of fun and not feeling old at all.
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violeta wrote:


LMAO
I feel for you, since you seem to really have had very bad luck with women. I know you won't believe me, but I can tell you that I know ugly, much more unattractive -than you claim to be, since I actually think you are ok looking with great lips- and have decent looking women, and not all obese women.


I've debunked this argument so many times its not funny.

Yeah....there's EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE....but the rule is UGLY GUYS GET NOTHING.

Its like...most east asians are short....but Yao Ming is 7'6...hes an anomaly.
Just like most ugly guys get NOTHING...any guy that is ugly and has a girlfriend is an anomaly.

As I look right now the odds of be getting a girlfriend are 1 in maybe 10,000...and thats if I actively keep approaching women. Its POSSIBLE...just not likely. I could have ANY personality that you can imagine....the odds would not get ANY better.

If I get the following procedures and I get good results:

two jaw surgery
brow bone burring
brow lift
lip lift
canthoplasty
ptosis repair

Then my chances of getting a girlfriend in my lifetime will be close to 100 percent.

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An old study, but I think the science is still valid:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/April97/marriage.obesity.ssl.html

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DCNGA wrote:
An old study, but I think the science is still valid:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/April97/marriage.obesity.ssl.html


shenanigans!!!

I have done experiments where I have posted pics of morbidly obese women on dating sites and they got messages EVERYDAY.
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Let's see...a PHD Cornell University professor who studies (and has studied the sociology of obesity since 1972), researches and writes text books on obesity and its affect on marriage, dating, and relationships VS Y/E who posts random pictures of overweight women on dating websites as his official research.

I rest my case.

http://gradeducation.lifesciences.cornell.edu/faculty/individual5533

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yatterman1 - isn't it exhausting always trying to prove this? I'm not being sarcastic or anything like that, just an honest question. Just reading all these stats and experiments is draining. It seems like you keep building evidence to prove that you're right even though it's hurting you. And the more you want to prove your theory right, the more evidence you'll find. Hey maybe I do the same thing, I don't know. It's worth considering though. Reminds me of something I read in that Eckhart Tolle Book a New Earth. Maybe it's time for a reread.

Ok this is totally random but Eleanor of Aquitaine lived into her 80s in the 12th century and was always described as beautiful.
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DCNGA wrote:
Let's see...a PHD Cornell University professor who studies (and has studied the sociology of obesity since 1972), researches and writes text books on obesity and its affect on marriage, dating, and relationships VS Y/E who posts random pictures of overweight women on dating websites as his official research.

I rest my case.

http://gradeducation.lifesciences.cornell.edu/faculty/individual5533


Well if you could come up with a logical reason as to why obese women get messages on dating websites everyday that might help your argument.
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That is a microcosm, Y. It is not the same level of research as that of a sociologist who's life work it is to study obesity and its affect on relationships. I think I'm going with someone whose life has been devoted to this type of work over what someone randomly finds to be true on the Internet based on random people visiting that site. You also are not considering your audience on those sites, either.

There's also the argument that guys will go after an 'easy mark' as might be said of some women who are overweight and may have low self-esteem. Guys feel less threatened by someone with whom they have little fear of rejection. An easy mark is an easy mark. Even if the women don't have low self-esteem, the assumption will be that they do therefore a presumption of an easier mark, true or not.

Your ridiculous experiments prove nothing to me, just as those of a renowned Cornell sociologist's mean nothing to you. You cannot be convinced and neither can I.

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DCNGA wrote:


There's also the argument that guys will go after an 'easy mark' as might be said of some women who are overweight and may have low self-esteem. Guys feel less threatened by someone with whom they have little fear of rejection. An easy mark is an easy mark. Even if the women don't have low self-esteem, the assumption will be that they do therefore a presumption of an easier mark, true or not.


That pretty much proves my point right there. Guys aim low on purpose because they dont want to be alone.

Girls don't go for "easy marks"....guys do.
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violeta wrote:


I completely agree, I really don't think a person who is ultra obsessed with their looks will like to be 80.


So then what are the folks on this board who are "ultra obsessed" about their looks going to do at 80--is there going to be a mass suicide of MissJ's posters LOL LOL - and for those of you that don't wish to be 80 - there is a solution - and an original one IMHO - and this is it: starting around 55 not to take too great care of your health - so hopefully you will have some disease that you weren't aware of and so didn't have the time to cure and if you are lucky you will pass on to the Great Unknown before you get to be 80 - I say this tongue in cheek because I do think people who try everything to live a healthy LONG life are quite disappointed when they actually get that old - I worked in an old age home when I was 19 and a lot of my "wisdom" I acquired when I worked there (I'm sure I have mentioned this before because it has informed my life decisions to a great extent) The first thing I noticed was that the prettier the old woman/man, (though there were more older women than men) the more miserable s/he was - that is easy to understand with loss of beauty extra - but even the ones that were happy regretted not dying when they were in their 70's - this came as a surprise to me as I thought everyone wanted to live to be old ...one of the women told me that she had seen enough of life and wanted to go home - (by home she meant death) she was 78 - this woman had lived a happy healthy life, had lots of hobbies and her children came to visit her - she was intelligent, well read and generally a cheerful woman - and yet she did not particularly wish to live to be in her 80's and regretted taking care of herself so well - she told me that old aged sucked - inspite of good health, money, love etc....




I do think a person can reasonably (with the right procedures combined with self care over yrs) can look 10-20 yrs younger, but aiming beyond that can look strange. Unless they come up with the antiaging super pill in the next few yrs, which I doubt. lol
But what I meant about women living longer is that they also now have a different perspective on life. Just think in the early 1900s, life expectancy was only up to late 40s, 50ish. So naturally people behaved a certain way by 30, and were considered old.
Now women at 50ish can expect to live at least 30 yrs+ (as long as she's healthy, and no accidents). So it's not like our grandmother's generation. Now many women are divorced at 45,50 (which is another reason I never thought marrying young is always ideal) and start working out maybe, get some p.s. if they can, and many do start looking younger and acting younger too.Not like immature teens, but just a more lively attitude toward life. I have a coworker 55, who swing dances with her boyfriend, 42, and they both look about the same age. She has alot of energy and tells me her generation is not like her mom's, and she's having alot of fun and not feeling old at all.



your coworker is an unusual woman to look almost the same age as her boyfriend and feel the same - most 55 year old women I know constantly complain of being "invisible" to men - so her experience is not the norm - and it is not indicative of her generation - also 55 is not really "old" lets wait till she is 65 and see if her boyfriend still wants to swingdance with her - I am not being mean - just rational - the age taboo still exists - because it is built into our DNA - most 65 year olds are not chased by young men - hopefully this woman will not care about this anymore and will be very happy pursuing other pleasures ....



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As for your arguement of "someone with a ZOMG A PHD said it, it MUST be true!!"...I can find articles of people with PHDs that will say the opposite....but they're harder to come by because the opposite is not politically correct...and stuff thats not politically correct is vastly less likely to get published.

Back to the PHD thing....I have read articles by people with PHDs that say the world will end in 2012....does that by default make it true?

Also by your logic if two people with PHDs don't agree on something the universe would explode due to creating a paradox.
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My bones and joints being the way they are at 56, SERIOUSLY concerns me as to what they will be like in 10 years. Living with daily pain is WEARING and makes one weary. I don't want to die, of course, but I can imagine that in 15 years, if my joints continue in this manner, that not living with pain on a daily basis would be a relief.

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This thread is getting to be depressing! Where I live there is a socialite who is around 80-85 and she does look fantastic...if a bit plastic. She could easily pass for her 50s. After her rich husband died she married her 40y/o caretaker! LOL
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