Hey Violeta:

Have you seen the older version of this movie - it is called Les diaboliques and directed by Henri-Georges Clouzot in 1955 - much better movie in my opinion - but more to the point Adjani looks gorgeous and in no way close to 39 -

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Hotels in Cleveland

I knew where you were going with this by the time I got this far in.

I think Fixit was just teasing with Y and you happened to be there!! We all have our quirks, (ok, speaking only for myself @@) but this board has some great people here!!! Glad you came back!

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Oh Y.

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This is a pretty interesting forum for so many reasons. I am curious about the women think about this since most of the women I read on the forum are above average or fairly intelligent (pretty rare thing on a blog or real life for that matter). So I want a few responses on what you ladies think about this.

Have considered how to you are measuring other women is NOT the way men are looking at women? Women are applying the standard THEY find attractive in men on to women then wondering why MEN aren't finding these women attractive. Men go for younger women just the same way women go for tall and succesfull men, ofcourse not all do but thier is always an exception.

I do not believe any single attractive women who is in her 30's or 40's did not have men chasing them and wanting to commit permanently, at some point in her life. There are many reasons women may have shyed away from these committing types of men are various but they include he didn't make them "feel" a certain way i.e. boring.

The thing is that attractive women in thier 20's might want to focus on career(working towards med school so totally understand) or various other things in life because it makes sense that men that chased them in thier 20's will be chasing them in thier 30's, after all the men have aged too.


It just seems on this forum people are not opening thier eyes to the view of the other sex. This applies for men on here too, a someone with a Y chromosome

The original post of this thread sums up that this board has come to a conclusion that a mans looks are more important than a womans.

I have reached the same conclusions as yatterman and he's right. Ugly guys get nothing. Nothing. Period. That is the rule. There are exceptions to every rule but that is the rule.

I was an ugly guy and experienced the same fate. Girls wouldn't look at me much less talk to me. I can't blame them, I was hideous - I had an open bite, a long narrow jaw, and a flat midface. I'm a good guy at my core but that did not matter and I will still never forget the cold vibe that eminated from every girl I interacted that said "Please don't hit on me because I am NOT interested"

So I decided to do something about it. Braces, max fax surgery, orbital rim implants (which did pretty much nothing), paranasal implants, jaw implants, chin recounter and a body building routine later.... and now I'm average looking. The responses from girls are much much better though after the jaw work some girls still ignore me or give me the cold vibe. That's because I need to augment my entire orbital rim area that never developed due to open bite (including the supra orbital ridges ie forehead/brow bossing) to complete my face. Then I'll be a hot guy and I know it becase it's all I'm missing right now.

Ok. So I live up in the boondocks with bears, blue jays and horny chickarees. What's "speed dating"? Is that like the scene in "40 Year Old Virgin" where the guys all meet these chicks and talk 'em up for 5 min each? Then switch tables and go on to the next and the next for a lunch hour?

I will also get flamed and sent to hell, but I still think looks are NOT as important - at least as one gets older - as the personality and what's up in the pumpkin. I've seen some incredibly boring, attractive guys in their 20s who make me blush with their Alpha Male act. I can't comment on how 20-something females come across cuz I don't notice them.

But! I have had fabulous discussions with a very bright 16-year old! Yes. I am not age-obsessive. In the final analysis, if a person has something interesting to say, I don't care if he/she looks like the Elephant Man - or even Tree Man from Indonesia.

So. Now I hope there are good books to read and stimulating company in hell.

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I Bug U

It's funny, you hear about beautiful women and men who are lonely because they are 'beautiful' and others feel they are unapproachable. But, conversely, I've known men and women who were beautiful, popular, and insufferable because of the lookism rampant (the beautiful often get deferential treatment in professional/personal situations) in the world. This self-importance can lead to arrogance and leads the person to have an unbearable personality. Give me an average/even below average looking fellow with a great sense of humor who has an accurate self-opinion and I'll take that every time.

Good example: David Letterman (notwithstanding his bad character of late) is so DAMN charming and funny that women like Drew Barrymore and Julia Roberts have acted ridiculously and flirtatious each time they've been around him. Women in his office claim he is "electrical"--not at all a typically good looking guy but women flock to his personality and charm. Just sayin.....

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This is true about Manhattan, but there are all sorts of couples if you look around (I can usually tell who are tourists, plus know alot of people here). Not all couples are composed of only the hottest women/hottest guys, or older wealthy guys with model or trophy wives. There's plenty of average looking couples all over NYC.
I do think if a woman is looking for a serious or possible long term relationship, going to look in clubs/bars is not ideal.
There are Plenty of activities, hobbies, etc to get involved with in NYC where people can meet others with similar interests. Sure many guys only want a hot young woman, but I also know plenty of men are interested in something more, and sharing ideas, interests and having intelligent conversations with women. Of course there are women both beautiful and intelligent, but not all are, and many women not so beautiful do manage to find partners. Another thing, not all women these days want to marry in their 20s, and enjoying single life, careers, travel etc. Women can meet men when they are not even actively seeking a serious relationship. There's alot of diversity in NY, you can meet all kinds of people, they can introduce you to friends, etc.
I've never been to speed dating in Nyc, and I don't think the OP said it was NY. I personally have found it better to date people I've formed friendships first, or at least some type of connection thru my hobbies. But like I said, not all women are in a hurry to form very serious relationships even in their 30s. If it happens great, but I'm not making it a priority right now and happy this way and so are many women I know my age group. I also think when a person is passionate about something in life, they can eventually meet someone like them, especially in such a diverse place. I see it happen, and even older couples find someone. Thing is not to look only in typical dating scenes, and just immerse yourself in life, enjoying it.

You make good points, but you make it seem as if women all looked 'aged' in their 30s, 40s. This is not always the case, especially not in a time where many if us have practiced preventive aging routines, healthy diets, exercise, etc for years. Women can stay looking younger for longer now, and we are living much longer too. I know we will all eventually age but you are not realistic when you include women in their 30s as being aged. If you saw how many single women in cities are amongst younger ones, you often can't tell the age difference. It also depends on lifestyle, since there are women late 20s with crows feet, bad skin, or smokers lines, vs early mid 30 women who may look younger because they didn't smoke and didn't tan. Aging signs are largely environmental