I know there are good/bad men in every nation, but I personally have found through living in the U.S. most of my life, and knowing alot of American men, and studying psychology/sociology, etc. and just talking to men at work, social events, etc. that American men are much more concerned with a woman's age than European men..when it comes to dating. In other words, American men are more hung up on 'youth' and many men that I've know who have divorced and in their 40s, MOST prefer a 20-25 yr old woman.
I asked one guy, what if she's 30 and looks hot, besides you can't even tell the difference between 30 and 25 sometimes, and lots of women these days are looking younger, taking care of themselves better, etc. He thought about it for a second, then said, he still preferred the 25 yr old, because she would have an extra 5 yrs to look just as young. He didn't even want a child, since he had 3 of his own, so it wasn't a fertility issue.

European men that I know and met though, have not been so focused on age. I've been to several countries, and have seen women looking obviously older with men hand in hand, and have seen men whistle at women over 30, and many did look over 30. Men just admired beauty, or what they found to be attractive, regardless of age.
I know not all in the U.S. are so hung up about age, but alot of men usually 30+)seem to want to only date women in their early 20s. You can also see this on dating sites, where men 30+age group select only younger women to meet. So what does a woman do once she's past 25 and still single? Or if she's past a certain age and looking not so youthful, and married, have a husband no longer interested in her? Sadly, I hear this often too, from men at my job or other friends.
So how can this be considered love?
Of course there are men who still love their wives even though she looks older. But why is it that I hear alot of these men say they want to date a younger women if they were to get divorced?
Men are really hung up on age of a woman here, for the most part.

IMO this is sterotyping. I do not think insecurity has anything to do with it. I think men who grow up with a good relationship with their mothers, who see their fathers treat their mothers with respect, witness their parents loving each other as equals will grow up to treat their women the same. They have seen a good relationship and want this for themselves which is why they treat their wives/girlfriends well. I know there are exceptions to everything and I am not saying that only men lucky enough to raised in this way will do well with relationships, just that these things give them a head start in life. I have also had many personal experiences along with my friends, family to back this up and what I have seen is there are good men all over the world who treat their women and families well. Men have always been very visual, like to look at young beautiful women. I do not see this as a *flaw* in any way. To me that is what makes them.....men.

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Yeah men PREFER 18-25 year old females....BUT they'll take what they can get. Its like...you would prefer a guy that is as rich as Seto Kaiba, right?

Its like....I would PREFER a 20 year old asian girl just like I would prefer to have telekinesis and look like Gackt. But thats not realistic...so I would take a 30 year old 250lb white woman if she would have me, you follow?


Women like younger guys too (cougars). Only reason why they're not AS common is the money issue. A 40 year old woman with 4 kids is going to find college guys cute...but college guys cant support her 4 kids....so she goes for a man her age. When women have affairs its almost always with guys MUCH younger than their husbands.

Lazarelle, I don't know about the issue of insecurity. I really think it depends on the guy, whatever nationality, and if he truly loves a woman. Some guys could care less if they lose a woman since they are secure and feel they can get another one easily (and much younger from what I've heard numerous times from friends/family/coworkers).
If a guy really loves a woman of course he will want to treat her well. But then you have to consider what is love to a guy, and if love is that easy to come by anyway. So many people in relationships are not necessarily in love,and may be there for other reasons. So it all depends on the person/circumstances.

Sue, I didn't say it was a flaw. I was just commenting on the fact that in my experience (from spending time both in U.S. and Europe, and being friends with several Euro men here in NYC) that Many American (of varying ages) men are actively seeking to date only women under 25. I know not ALL, but a big majority seems to want to date a younger woman. Especially when they are divorced.
Not all men get that young woman, but they seem to prefer it, and most select that age group on dating sites, as their main or sometimes only preference.
I've even seen an article online with pics, about how some women at 35 can look just as attractive as 25. I know this is true, esp here in NYC, when a woman is single and many times a man can't tell whether a woman is in her mid 20s or mid 30s. I remember times when a man I know 40s+ (divorced) with kids, have seen a few of my friends and thought they were under 30. But later when one asked me about one woman, and I told them she was 34, he wasn't interested.
He said she looks great, but since he was newly single he wanted to try to find someone preferably mid 20s now, since he still felt young and energetic. He said in 5 yrs maybe he will go for someone in her 30s, if he can't keep up with the 20 somethings anymore. How's that for cocky?
The thing is, he has been able to date these women, since alot of young women do seem to want to date older men, even if he looks older. I have found a few other men like that also.
Also, the concept of invisibility of women past a certain age, here in the U.S. has been written about in articles, and I've heard alot about it from women. Alot of men just are not even interested in talking/conversing to women in the first place, unless they find her appealing visually, and usually this means if they find her 'youthful' looking. Unless of course, he works with the woman already. Some women have told me that they were not even noticed and felt completely invisible, even when there were no young woman around. It's just that some guys don't have any interest in woman in the first place, or what she has to say, unless they like her appearance.
I think of course, this has to do with the type of guy, and what his interests are. I find that men who are into arts, music, theatre, history, culture, etc. and just like to converse to people with similar interests don't act this way towards women they may come across. But not all American men are that interested in topic others than sports or other activities mostly preferred by men. This largely depends on the area of the U.S. where you live though, in my experience.
But in Europe, I haven't found the invisibility issue, or least not in the same degree as here. At least that has been my experiences, from actually spending time in Europe for months at a time.

You make good points, and I agree. But you'd be surprised at how many older guys actually get younger women, even guys w/o much money. Alot has to do with his attitude, charisma, etc. and usually the young girl is immature and maybe feels special or protected, or just the fact of going out with someone older an exciting idea. The opposite does not happen unless the older woman has alot of money/power, or if she's really hot. But older men don't have to be hot and can get young pretty girls, I see this in NYC often, believe it or not. Just depends on the opportunity factor.

Men 'instantly' forgive a woman who cheats on him? I don't know where you get your information from, or maybe it's your friends' experiences. But I assure you the rest of the world doesn't work that way. If anything, most guys I know say there's way too many women to choose from, and wouldn't put up with a woman who doesn't respect him.

I wasn't referring to comparisons of a young woman who is obese or unattractive vs. a very attractive 35 yr old. I was talking about two women, who can be both similar levels of attractiveness, but 10 yrs apart, and it CAN be difficult to tell which one is older/younger, in some cases. Even if you can tell in some cases who is younger, that doesn't mean that the older one looks MUCH older or looks haggard in comparison. There are plenty of 35+ yr old single women in the city who look fabulous and you wouldn't think they look haggard or old.

An example of what I mean, check out this short clip of Isabelle Adjani in Diabolique, about 16 yrs ago. When I saw that movie, I remember one of my uncles (who always said he wanted a 20yr old chick after he divorced) used to rave about how hot and beautiful that 'girl' in the movie was. But I later found out she was approx. 39 in that film. She looked much younger.
Of course, you will say not all women age that well, and this is true.
But my point is that an attractive woman over 30 who looks youthful can be seen just as beautiful/young as 25yr old. Of course, having a high degree of beauty helps, but a woman of average-level attractiveness can keep herself looking great at 35, just as a 25 yr old with the same level beauty..and you can't always say a 25 yr old is 'better' looking just because she is younger.

If you saw her pic at 25, side by side at 39, of course there will be changes. But just looking at her soley at 39, and it doesn't diminish her beauty or youthful looks at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdJbwHRMcfI

I have made profiles of women in their 40s who are overweight to boot and it STILL got messages EVERYDAY. Just make an account on Okcupid and Plenty of Fish and watch your inbox get flooded by messages from guys.

Y, you are immature.

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