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violeta
Posted: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:27:17 PM
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I can totally relate to this. I am chronically single and have several friends who are beautiful, sweet, smart funny etc. who are also chronically single. And now we've all entered into our 30s which freaks guys out. I find that I meet a lot of young guys 25 and under and they are just looking to hook up whereas I am looking for a long term relationship. I never get approached by guys. If I want to talk to a guy I am the one who needs to approach them. I did this recently and the guy was good looking but only 24 and had no interest in taking me out on dates. I would just get random texts asking if I was in town. I always think am I doing something wrong? Am I not approachable?

Maybe I should move out of the NYC/NJ area. I've always been very attracted to British & Irish guys due to their sense of humor. But it's just not realistic for me to move to another country to meet a guy.


Cindy, I think it depends where you are looking to meet men. I'm in my 30s, in NYC and have actually met many guys, and have male friends from Europe and other countries. I've spend time in other states, and never have experienced as much diversity as in NYC. I love it here, and there's so much to do and get involved with, and people to meet.
I think if you are looking to meet men in places like night clubs or bars, it's not that conducive to actually getting men to approach you. Even though there are many nice sophisticated clubs/bars in the city for 30+ crowd..still, many times men may not want to approach women (even if they find her attractive), for many reasons. Maybe they just love hanging in these types of places and not looking for a relationship, or maybe they have a girlfriend or wife (sometimes)and just out for a drink. I know many people in relationships and still hang out because it's enjoyable to have drinks with friends, listen to live music, etc. Not everyone always hangs out with their s/o.

I think the key is to get involved in hobbies/activites that you enjoy. For example, I am a dance latin/ballroom aficionado, and have met many men from Italy (where it's very popular), Holland, France, Spain, Australia, some UK, Ireland, Asia, South America etc. etc. who love dancing. Some live here, but many are travellers (Europeans get much more vacation time) and spend months in the city, sometimes the entire summer, taking advanced dance workshops, and attending concerts, or the popular dance congress where people from all over the world come together. The place where we dance are not necessarily night clubs (thou a few are, but sophisticated), but mostly large dance studios which are converted to social dance events, and dance workshops, etc. etc. There is an activity to be found every day of the week in NYC.

Many of these men have fallen in love with NY women and stayed. Ok, that's not common if they are just visiting, but there are many European here that are permanent residents. You don't know how many women I know (over 35, 40) who are dating these men, and have no problem finding dates.
You probably just don't encounter them often, if you don't engage in certain activities where you may meet them.
I'm not saying to pick up dancing if you don't like it..although it's fantastic exercise, great fun, and you do meet many people from all over.
Of course, I don't think native NYC American men are bad, and I know many who are cool and fun to be with as well.
But it's just that this type of dancing tends to attract more European men for some reason.
But I just think you need to be involved in some hobby, activity, that you really enjoy, and you will meet men that have similar interests, and actually whom you will actually 'like' to be around.
I personally think if a guy is 'just' very attractive and there is nothing interesting about him, or I have nothing in common with him..then it's boring for me.I have come to realize this as I've gotten older, and really don't like being with a guy who is not open minded or doesn't have much interesting to talk about.

Of course, attraction is important, but it's not everything. I'm not saying go for a guy you find unappealing physically...but you'd be surprised how you can actually fall for someone whom you first become friends with and enjoy his company. This is what I think happens when you engage in activities where you meet people, whether it's social dancing, skating, listening to poetry, art, photography,cooking, watching films, whatever you like. Or take a an adult class in something you always were interested in , I think you will find more men that you can become friends with. I just think it's easier to become friends with men first, then develop a relationship. Those are the type that last longer anyway, in my experience.
Good luck and don't give up, this is a great area to meet all sorts of people. Of course, there's alot of competition (beautiful girls) in the city. But you'd be surprised how many decent looking men I know who are more interested in dating girls that they find captivating personality-wise or share passion about something. These are the men 30+ whom I know and many actually are foreign born, living in the city.

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Hey Denton:

I'm intrigued - what is the reason for this role reversal?

Also Irish eyes - yes American men may not have personality and confidence but they are much nicer to women and treat them better than european men - I always tell my girlfriends - you know you are a masochist if you like and date European men LOL



Lazarelle, I would love to expand on the above, but I would prefer to not touch the topic here. it's a complex issue and best left for other forums. This is neither the time or the place.

PS- I agree with your last statement. I wish the women here would appreciate that.
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Well, now that Y has disagreed with the thoughts and views of other people who have traveled/lived in countries where he has never physically been before, what is there left to say?
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Well, representing the gay side of this- I have been single for like 10 years, and just about everyone I know (most are average or below average) has a partner. Not to sound conceited, but I am better looking than they are, lol. Seriously, I get more attention than they do, but no one seems to want me as a bf. I have been on a few dates lately and they seem to go well, but I don't get a call back. I will say that I don't call them either because I like to be the one who is 'chased'. I am not picky about looks because I like being the 'pretty' one ( I dated a goodlooking guy before and it was too much competition and I know I don't like it). I WANT an average or maybe even below-average looking guy who treats me like gold and laughs at all my jokes, that's it. Is that asking too much? I am starting to wonder if I come off as high maintenance or something. I mean I AM a little bit crazy, but I thought they wouldn't realize it until I had already reeled them in, and then they'd think it was cute.

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Hi Violeta,

I live about 1 hr south of NYC in NJ. I don't actually enjoy NYC all that much and rarely socialize there. I've taken dance classes, art classes, golf lessons etc at local colleges near me and only much older men and women attend. I'm sure this would be different in NYC or even Hoboken or Morristown. But all are too far for me to go during the week...the weekend is a different story and I frequently travel an hour to go out to more "happening" areas. I know there is an organization called Jersey Sports club that I've heard great things about. I'm strongly considering moving to Morristown, NJ though I need to get a job first. Was laid off a few months ago.

It's very interesting to note the difference of opinion in this thread regarding European men. Since I have no personal experience dating European men I cannot comment on it. Though I do find British men appealing but that may just be a romanticized fantasy of them and not reality. I have tremedous interest in British history and the monarchy so that probably adds to it. Who knows?
violeta
Posted: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:33:36 PM
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Hi Violeta,

I live about 1 hr south of NYC in NJ. I don't actually enjoy NYC all that much and rarely socialize there. I've taken dance classes, art classes, golf lessons etc at local colleges near me and only much older men and women attend. I'm sure this would be different in NYC or even Hoboken or Morristown. But all are too far for me to go during the week...the weekend is a different story and I frequently travel an hour to go out to more "happening" areas. I know there is an organization called Jersey Sports club that I've heard great things about. I'm strongly considering moving to Morristown, NJ though I need to get a job first. Was laid off a few months ago.

It's very interesting to note the difference of opinion in this thread regarding European men. Since I have no personal experience dating European men I cannot comment on it. Though I do find British men appealing but that may just be a romanticized fantasy of them and not reality. I have tremedous interest in British history and the monarchy so that probably adds to it. Who knows?


You don't enjoy NYC? That's interesting to me. I think people who are not used to the fast pace of the city, or think of it as crazy, loud, may not enjoy it much. Or if you really don't know all that can be done here, and there really is something for everyone of any age. From quiet cafes, chess clubs, libraries, jazz, classical music, quiet walks in the parks ( more than just Central Park)flea markets, etc. etc.
But I think it's very different experience for people who actually live here and know the city. There's places/streets which are very quiet, calm, even quaint. You can go from the busy area like Times Square (which I particularly don't like to hang out much)to the West Village, for example, and it's almost like night/day. There's parts of the village where the streets look like old European narrow streets, with interesting shops, cafes, etc. Ever been to the South Street Seaport?
Or even outside Manhattan, there's a whole lot to see and do, and often much slower pace, even beautiful botanical gardens in Brooklyn and the Bronx.
When I travel outside NY for work, and talk to women my age who say it's hard for them to find enjoyable things to do, since most nightlife is full of younger 20somethings, I realize that NYC is really much different than alot of places.
I've been to clubs/bars where most people look over 30, and had a great time.
Also, there are many other places to take art/dance classes, not just colleges. There's tons of studios and even the museums give art classes. The dance workshops I attend are usually people from late 20s to 50s+. The vast majority in their 30s/40s though.

I can tell you that European men (from my experiences) don't seem as hung up on age as American men (many who say women are 'old' after 30ish). The Euro guys I know don't even seem to wonder about a woman's age, when they comment on an attractive woman during dance practices or other social outings (and often these women are past 30, even 40+). I've never been asked my age from these guys. It doesn't seem to be a major issue.
Ok, not all Euro men are fabulous, but the guys I am friends with, are very interesting to talk to, and have a much broader view of things/society, than alot of American guys which I've encountered. I also have fabulous American friends, but these are VERY few, since it's difficult for U.S. men to actually Want to be just friends with women..unless they met in grade school, for example. Many don't even want to try to be friends first, and think it's a terrible thing. I guess sometimes friendships never lead to romance.

But I've found that it's much different with European or even Asian, S.American, etc. men who actually can be friends with women and enjoy their company. Most don't actually ask you upfront to go out, but just make conversation and befriend you. Maybe it's my experience, in the places I frequent; but I've also been to Europe a few times, and found this too.
Many women who date men actually don't have much in common or never really were friends with the guy, and this eventually starts to create issues, since you can't be romantic 24/7.
It's nice to share common interests, and the way to do that is meet people who do, and in my experience, NYC is one of the best places for that, since there's so much you can do. I guess if you don't live here, or even work here and know alot about the city, then it may be difficult to really enjoy all it has to offer. I'm hardly ever bored, even when my close friends are travelling. If I want to get away from the city, there's places like City Island (also like night/day compared to midtown Manhattan), some parts of Brooklyn, etc.etc. even just Central Park. There's so much I can do alone, and not feel silly or weird. Plus I meet new people almost every day. Not all become close friends, of course. But when you are in a city like this, you never need to feel lonely even w/o a date, that's my point. Eventually everyone wants romance, but in the meantime, I am enjoying myself and engaging in activities I love. If you move to a different place, where there's more to do, you eventually will meet more men.

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Ryan wrote:

and laughs at all my jokes, that's it. Is that asking too much? .. I mean I AM a little bit crazy,] they'd think it was cute.


Yeah that's asking too much. I have been married 7 years and my wife doesn't laugh at any of my jokes, ever! Also I am a little bit crazy and NOONE finds it cute.

The upside to all of this is that it puts long term relationships in perspective and makes you realize that being single and one time dates are probabbly just as exciting/fulfilling.



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fixit wrote:


Yeah that's asking too much. I have been married 7 years and my wife doesn't laugh at any of my jokes, ever! Also I am a little bit crazy and NOONE finds it cute.

The upside to all of this is that it puts long term relationships in perspective and makes you realize that being single and one time dates are probabbly just as exciting/fulfilling.



You have a good point. I am also single, in my 30s, and although have had a couple long term relationships, I am not in a rush to get into another one now. Not so much because there were downsides, but I actually do enjoy being single. My old friends from childhood that are married my age don't know why I can possibly be happy and enjoying life, but these are mostly living in the suburbs, so don't get city life much anyway. Some people are lucky to find a great life partner they love to be with, but it's not always a picnic. Also single life isn't always perfect of course. Yet I am loving my single life now. :)
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Ryan wrote:
Well, representing the gay side of this- I have been single for like 10 years, and just about everyone I know (most are average or below average) has a partner. Not to sound conceited, but I am better looking than they are, lol. Seriously, I get more attention than they do, but no one seems to want me as a bf. I have been on a few dates lately and they seem to go well, but I don't get a call back. I will say that I don't call them either because I like to be the one who is 'chased'. I am not picky about looks because I like being the 'pretty' one ( I dated a goodlooking guy before and it was too much competition and I know I don't like it). I WANT an average or maybe even below-average looking guy who treats me like gold and laughs at all my jokes, that's it. Is that asking too much? I am starting to wonder if I come off as high maintenance or something. I mean I AM a little bit crazy, but I thought they wouldn't realize it until I had already reeled them in, and then they'd think it was cute.

signed,
Harried and Hopeless


Maybe the average/below average guys find your looks intimidating and don't dare ask you out, since they feel you would reject them. I also see many unattractive gay guys with partners all the time. But whose to say they are all happy anyway? Some people just want to be with someone for the sake of it, or to not be lonely.
I would rather be with someone I really like to be with, and that also likes to be with me, for the person I am. But it's much harder to find this type of connection. I understand how you feel.
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violeta, I completely agree with all you wrote.

Find something you really have an interest in and friendships will follow.

NYC is an awesome place (I have only been there a few times) and really a microcosm of the planet as a whole. I remember once just walking by a park with my parents many moons ago and quickly looking (with interest) at a few chess games going on. It only took one second for a few people to invite my to a game (not for money ot anything).
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fixit wrote:
violeta, I completely agree with all you wrote.

Find something you really have an interest in and friendships will follow.

NYC is an awesome place (I have only been there a few times) and really a microcosm of the planet as a whole. I remember once just walking by a park with my parents many moons ago and quickly looking (with interest) at a few chess games going on. It only took one second for a few people to invite my to a game (not for money ot anything).


I would love to see a whole lot more of the world too. I have been to Paris, and other a few other places. I love Paris, since it's a big city (bigger than NYC) and also so much to engage in, so many people of all ages interacting, living life. There seems to be more open-minded views in cities, esp. NYC, when it comes to societal 'rules',about age, what you 'should' be doing at a certain period in life, etc. and people seem to interact more. Sure, people can be rude or cold sometimes, but when you really get to experience the city and all you can do, so many interesting and fun people to meet, etc. it's a great place. Plus you don't even need a car. =)
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rob, what happened to your post??

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Ryan, my experience has been in NYC you can get the first date, but don't expect the second one. It's not you. Eventually you will find someone. I've had a couple of LTR's here and they usually just kind of pop up, or grow over time.
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I'm strongly considering moving to Morristown, NJ though I need to get a job first. Was laid off a few months ago.


Do that and you might just bump into a certain anime loving, long haired, long faced, 6'2 and a half, 155lb, secular ashkenazi jew that worships Dr. Park and lives 15 minutes from Morristown and goes there at least once a week. He's not in Jersey right now but hes going back in a few months.
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Do that and you might just bump into a certain anime loving, long haired, long faced, 6'2 and a half, 155lb, secular ashkenazi jew that worships Dr. Park and lives 15 minutes from Morristown and goes there at least once a week. He's not in Jersey right now but hes going back in a few months.


He sounds hot, I'll take him- what's his number?
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He sounds hot, I'll take him- what's his number?


555-555-5555

I dont think you are his type though. He's so heterosexual he wouldn't even go "gay for pay".
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violeta wrote:

Maybe the average/below average guys find your looks intimidating and don't dare ask you out, since they feel you would reject them. I also see many unattractive gay guys with partners all the time. But whose to say they are all happy anyway? Some people just want to be with someone for the sake of it, or to not be lonely.
I would rather be with someone I really like to be with, and that also likes to be with me, for the person I am. But it's much harder to find this type of connection. I understand how you feel.


Well, the "fucked up" part is that at this point I feel like I'd take anyone who'd have me- I guess I'm "damaged goods" and that people sense it despite the fact that I'm enormously entertaining and tons of fun: I hate everyone, people suck.
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Well, the "fucked up" part is that at this point I feel like I'd take anyone who'd have me


Welcome to my world.
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Ryan wrote:


Well, the "fucked up" part is that at this point I feel like I'd take anyone who'd have me- I guess I'm "damaged goods" and that people sense it despite the fact that I'm enormously entertaining and tons of fun: I hate everyone, people suck.




Ryan, I am remembering that pic of you with those smushy/sexy lips, you are a babe!!!


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