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Has anyone heard of this? It's probably too good to be true, but just thought it was interesting. http://www.facialdevelopment.com/index.php
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Have not heard of that one but will check out. I know at CVS they were selling a neck exercise gaget for $20 which I don't think is a bad investment to try a gadget for that. I don' do the gadgets because I can do the face excersises without them.
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MissJ wrote:Have not heard of that one but will check out. I know at CVS they were selling a neck exercise gaget for $20 which I don't think is a bad investment to try a gadget for that. I don' do the gadgets because I can do the face excersises without them. I think the homeoblock has to be sold through a dentist though. There are lists of dentists, mostly cosmetic dentists, on that site who are offering that product. I think it's a long process though, and up to 4 yrs to see the most results. It's supposed to be worn only at night. It may be worthwhile though,if it's true that in 4 yrs your cheeks would be actually higher and you will look younger instead of aging 4 yrs. I like the fact that it can widen the smile, which I need, and don't really want to go through extensive surgery for that.
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I had one of those type of expander/retainers when I was younger(20 yrs ago),
the dental person I went to in Mexico used them instead of the traditional braces,
this type of device was supposed to straighten the teeth by adjusting it every 4 weeks
adjusting consisted of twisting the little metal in the middle same way like an expander, this opened up a gapin the
retainer, making the upper arch expand and provide more room for crowded teeth(it also straightened at the same time).
the bad thing with those is that they are very easy to break(like a retainer) and when you take them off for a prolonged period(a couple of hours) the teeth revert and it gets uncomfortable painful to put them back in, because you actually have to push in. I did not finish the treatment(my sister either).
the top part of the retainer/expander is fine and tolerable but the bottom(one for the lower teeth) is very painful and uncomfortable and it hurts a lot.
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I wonder what the costs of it are. Looks like something I need as I have a narrow arch but it's on both arches and that thing just does the upper one. Is it like invisilne?
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MissJ wrote:I wonder what the costs of it are. Looks like something I need as I have a narrow arch but it's on both arches and that thing just does the upper one. Is it like invisilne? MissJ this expanding retainers are very different than invisalign,invisaling are not detectable and only cover the teeth area , invisalign are more expansive than regular braces. on the other hand the expander/retainer has a plastic that covers most of the palate and they do change speech a little when worn, the good thing is that you can take them off when you dont want people to see them, but if you want it to work faster and better they need to be worn 24/7  one of the benefits of this type of retainer is that they make the arch wider and that they are fairly cheap, I think you can also have them made by sending a teeth mold
to a lab I remember that some times I adjusted and expanded it myself by twisting the little screw that is in the middle, with a sewing machine needle(did only this when I missed the dental appointment)
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What I don't 'get' is this:
If they expand the upper arch, but the lower is not expanded--how does that work as far as the bite is concerned.
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MissJ wrote:What I don't 'get' is this:
If they expand the upper arch, but the lower is not expanded--how does that work as far as the bite is concerned.
I did not see it on the link of the website that Violeta posted, but I think that they might also give the person a lower teeth expander/retainer too the one I had from Mexico for the lower teeth looked something like this but in a transparent red  
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This looks VERY interesting! It looks like they do something with the lower arch too, if you read some of the Articles links. No dentists in my state do it, but think I will give the info to my dentist, so maybe he'll learn to do it. I could really benefit from a wider arch.
When I think of the orthodontics I had 30 years ago, it seems SO barbaric!
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If my mouth was any wider, I could swallow a whole cantaloupe--LOL. I don't think this is for me.
It looks like a medieval torture device, LOL.
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I had a palate expander as a child.. very painful experience, but in hindsight thankful for the orthodontic care I received at an early age. One must be young (still growing) to have their palate expanded - otherwise surgical (orthognathic) measures must be taken in order to expand the maxilla for an adult age, correct?
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rpm--is that what that is; a palate expander?
kk25--OK, ya, makes sense to have a bottom one with it.
violetta---they are also pairing it with RESTY or filler injections in some photos. So hard to tell what is doing what.
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MissJ wrote:rpm--is that what that is; a palate expander? That's what they're claiming. On their site they have a link to an article titled ' Facial Changes as a Result of Palatal Expansion in Adult Patients Using the Homeoblock™ Appliance' What I don't understand is how is it possible to have the palate expanded with an adult (whom has finished growing). I always thought that adults had to resort to surgical means for palatal expanding.
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It's probably possible to remodel the palate somewhat by constant force in the direction of expanding it. It probably won't remodel it that much simply because they state a 4 year period and also show results with filler in addition.
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when I had the expander/retainer was already done growing and it did expand, the turns were done like ounce every 4 weeks for mine.
my daughter on the other hand she had conventional fixed expander , the difference with hers was that she got it very young so the adjustments were done every night over a period told by the
orthodontist, then she got to keep it in for a couple extra weeks to make the palate settle in the new expanded position.
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How are the adjustments done every night?
So, this thing is a palate expander. Fix braces can expand the arches too can't they?
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Some interesting discussion/info on this appliance: http://www.apneasupport.org/about15670.htmlhttp://orgoneproducts.org/blog/2009/09/06/palate-expansion-update-with-the-homeoblock/ (strange info here) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641449Interesting: Quote:Angle Orthod. 2006 Sep;76(5):876-81. Cephalometric facial soft tissue changes with the twin block appliance in Class II division 1 malocclusion patients. A systematic review. Flores-Mir C, Major PW. Craniofacial and Oral Health Evidence-based Practice Group, Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry, University of Alberta, Canada. carlosflores@ualberta.caOBJECTIVE: To evaluate facial soft tissue changes after the use of the twin block appliance in Class II division 1 malocclusion patients. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Several electronic databases (PubMed, MEDLINE, MEDLINE In-Process & Other Non-Indexed Citations, Cochrane databases, EMBASE, Web of Science, and LILACS) were searched with the help of a senior health-sciences librarian. Abstracts that appeared to fulfill the initial selection criteria were selected by consensus, and the original articles were retrieved. The article references were hand-searched for possible missing articles. Clinical trials that assessed facial soft tissue changes with the use of the twin block appliance without any surgical intervention or syndromic characteristics were considered. A comparable untreated control group was required to factor out normal growth changes. RESULTS: Two articles fulfilled the selection criteria and quantified facial soft tissue changes. Although some statistically significant changes in the soft tissue profile were found, the magnitude of the changes may not be perceived as clinically significant. Changes produced in the upper lip seem to be controversial, although the study with sounder methodological quality did not report significant changes. No change in the anteroposterior position of the lower lip and the soft tissue menton or improvement of the facial convexity was found. CONCLUSIONS: Three-dimensional quantification of the soft tissue changes is required to overcome current limitations in our understanding of the soft tissue changes obtained after the use of the twin block appliance in Class II division 1 malocclusion patients.
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LOL DC add me to your club DCNGA wrote:If my mouth was any wider, I could swallow a whole cantaloupe--LOL. I don't think this is for me.
It looks like a medieval torture device, LOL.
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MissJ the adjustments are done by using o tool (the one in the far right, for Daughter it was 1.5 turns every night). the expander on the younger people(kids and stuff) works faster, so fast that it creates a gap in the front teeth shortly after 2 weeks(middle) that closes eventually when teeth fixed braces cant achieve the same expansion.  what you do to adjust is put the tool in the little space that appears as a circle in the below picture then slide it forward towards the teeth  the fixed expander is undetectable, it is bonded to the molars so it cant be taken out , only ortho can take it out,
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