Hi annie - you could go straight for the TriReduction w/ no irritation? WOW! You could probably move up to the Super Cop with out trouble. I'd think, tho, for more results, you could try a stronger exfoliative. Or, try the LacSal twice a day or do both twice a day. I can now use the SC2X with out any problem on my face, but I still just use it for spot touchups. The spots are just a bit bigger than they use to be is all. And I will use it along w/ the Super CP Serum (spot treating after I use the SCP all over).

What are you looking for in results since you say you haven't seen much?

--foxeskier

Foxeskier, I see that you use a low ph cleanser. How would I know if the cleanser I am using has a low ph? What are you using?

Try this list - it might help. You can also buy some pH strips to test your cleanser (has to be used on a wet substance) or ask the mfg'r.

AHAVA Soaps 5.5
Alpha Hydrox Foaming Face Wash 6.1-6.5
Alpha Hydrox Optimum Series Moisturizing Cleanser 6.3-6.5
Beauty Without Cruelty Vitamin C Cleanser 6.0-6.5
Burt’s Bees Tomato, Carrot, and Lettuce soaps 10
Camay Soap 9.5
Camocare Gold Light Foaming Cleanser 6.5-7.0
Cellex-C Betaplex Cleanser 5.0-5.5
Cetaphil cleanser 6.7
Dermalogica Exfoliants: 3.4-3.9
Dermalogica The Bar 5.5
Dermalogica Dermal Clay Cleanser 6.2
Dial Soap (liquid and bar) 9.5
Diana Yvonne Green Tea Cleanser 5.4
Diana Yvonne Pearlescent 5.5
Diana Yvonne Rose Hip Cleanser 5.5
Dove Bar, Baby Dove Bar 7
Dr. Bonner Liquid Soaps 8
Earth Science Clarifying Facial Wash 5.0-5.5
Earth Science ADE Creamy Cleanser 5
Earth Science Apricot Facial Scrub Cream 5
Earth Science Aloe-Gel Cleanser Liquid 5
Ecco Bella Normal/Oily Cleanser 6.5-7.0
Exederm 5.5
GlyTone Mild Cream Wash 3.4%GA, 3.5
GlyTone Mild Gel Wash 4.7% GA, 3.8
GlyTone Wipe Away Cleanser 7.8% GA, 3.8
Irish Spring Soap 9.5
Ivory Soap 9.5
Jevelle Magick Clear Gentle Apricot Scrub 5
Johnson & Johnson Head to Toe Baby Wash 6.5-7.0
Johnson & Johnson 5.5
Lever 2000 9
MD Forte Cleansers pH 3.8
MD Forte Facial Cleanser II 15%GA 3.8
MD Formulations Sensitive Skin Cleanser 4.4
MD Formulations Basic Facial Cleanser 5.5
MD Formulations Oily/Problem Cleanser 3.8
Neutrogena Deep Clean Facial Cleanser 3.8-4.6
Neutrogena Deep Clean Cream Cleanser 2.8-3.8
Neutrogena Deep Clean Cleansing Cloths N/A
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleanser 5.6-6.2
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleansing Bar 6.0-7.5
Neutrogena Facial Cleansing Bar Original Formula 8.7-9.2
Neutrogena Fresh Foaming Cleanser 6.2-6.9
Liquid Neutrogena 8.7-9.1
Neutrogena Pore Refining Cleanser 3.7-4.2
Neutrogena Cleansing Bar for Acne-Prone Skin 8.7-9.2
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash 3.6-4.4
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash Cream Cleanser 3.6-4.4
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash Foam Cleanser 3.5-4.2
Nutribiotic Non-soap skin cleansers 5.3-5.7
Olay Foaming Face Wash - 6.85-7.36
Olay Foaming Face Wash - Sensitive Skin 6.6 - 7.35
Olay Emollient Cleansing Lotion 6.0 - 7.2
Olay ADS Daily Renewal Cleanser 2.9 - 3.25
Olay ProVital Revitalizing Cleanser 2.9 - 3.25
Olay Daily Facials Normal/Dry 6.9 (when wet)
Olay Daily Facials Normal/Oily 7.6 (when wet)
Palmolive soap 10
Paula’s Choice (all formulations) 5.5
Physician's Choice pHaze1: Facial Wash 5%AHA 6.0
Physician's Choice pHaze1: Facial Wash oily/problem 7%AHA 5.0
Purpose Facial Cleanser 6.5-7.0

Don't have a clue as to how much more but I think SB's is more intensive.

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Can hardly walk. Need hip replacement.

Hi foxeskier - How long before cp's start working? What kind of results should I see?

Not Foxskier, but I would say dont start with the stronger ones because they make skin break out,
if you use to much to fast the results are pimples

Fox -- you're the expert, can you help me organize?

I have been doing CP Serum in the morning, followed by a sunscreen. I am a freak about sunscreen. I skipped the oil (emu or jojoba) because combined with the sunscreen it makes my face too greasy, plus then I'm adding foundation.

Then in the evenings I was alternating Tazorac every other day with an MD Forte 20% glycolic. The glycolic keeps the Taz from flaking.

I saw my derm recently and she really wants me to step up the Tazorac - she says I'm clearly not using enough to get the maximum benefits. She'd like me to do maybe a month of Taz every day, followed by a schedule of 4 days of Taz, three days off. I'm game -- my pores need refining, I'm getting a lot of blackheads.

So now what? I'm not keen on moving the glycolic to my a.m. routine, wouldn't I have to wait a long time after the CPs? Plus between that and the sunscreen I have to be careful not to get milia. And then I'm adding foundation on top of that...

But if I move the glycolic to the pm, don't I have the same problem? I have to wait in between? If I did, for how long, and do you think it matters which one I do first - the Taz or the glycolic?

I could just skip the glycolic, but I think it improves the results.

Can you suggest the most time-efficient way to get the CP, Tazorac AND glycolic on my face once a day each?


btw the CP serum didn't bother me at all, I got the small bottle (easier to control) I dilute it about 50% in the palm of my hand. I'm doing my neck and chest too. Oddly, I hadn't really noticed that much difference, it's been about 6 weeks, but I saw a friend who said, your skin looks amazing!! I think the tone is more even.

Thanks for any guidance.


here is what I do with my routine:

PM
cleanse (wait 30 minutes or use a low pH cleanser for a no-wait-time)
exfoliative wait 30 mins(I use Retin A here, but AHAs, BHAs or retinols can be used too)
CPs - I use Super CP now. I had to work my way up to it since it's strong. wait til absorbed. I also apply my Night Eyes at this time.
Emu Oil - when applied after CPs, it helps to push them in. great moisturizer. may use squalene oil instead

AM
cleanse wait
exfoliative (BHA for me here since I have very clogged pores, most ppl don't use 2 diff kinds)wait
CPs - optional/it takes a while to build up to twice/day and you may not need it that often. I just want to see fast results so I either use CPs or vit C in the AM
Emu Oil
sunscreen

A different method to doing this is to apply your exfoliatives at night (Retin A needs to be used at night since sunlight will degrade it) and apply the CPs in the AM (opposite ends of the day). This will save some time this way. [/quote]

Hi,
please maybe you could help me out to order a product which is using a copper peptide technology (and is strong enough to give results). I surfed now and found out that it is mainly sold in the US. I am from India, but my husband travels to the US (for work). To Southern California.
Also I could order in Germany.
Preferable I would like to order the products from Dr. Pickarts site but since we do not have an adress in the US, difficult.

Do you know if there is a shop where my husband could buy it near Palo Alto or do you know of a similar product beeing sold in Europe?

Thanks so much.
Regards
Sophia

Hi Sophia - sorry I didn't see your post earlier. Have you found a source to buy the CPs? If not, I know that Skin Biology does ship international.

lOOKs like I'm going to have to order Skin Biology. They dont sell the Neutrogena copper peptides at CVS anymore.

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Can hardly walk. Need hip replacement.

what type of razor should be used for skin plaining?