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I am posting this brand new announcement because I want you to be among the first to know, since this forum has been quite supportive of the formulas that my company produces and sells. As some of you know, we've been in negotiations with a very large, world wide distribution firm to sell the E.Y.E.S. product world wide. We've finally reached an agreement, and contracts have been signed between our two companies. Today is the first official day for the new website designed solely to sell the E.Y.E.S. product world wide. You can have a look at it throught the link listed below. I think you'll like the information and photographs of the new packaging and labeling! Also note that 50% more product will be in each vial (6ml versus the old 4ml that I sold). Of course, the price has been increased like I knew it would be. But, to their credit, they've kept the price lower than most all other competitor's eyelash enhancing products. Link: http://eyelashgrowthsolution.weebly.com/index.htmlPlease let me know what you think of this new site. Any information and/or observations could be very helpful to us. Believe me, this distribution firm did a LOT more testing on this product, including focus groups, before making the critical desicion to work with Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC. What they found was not surprising. The product works, and works very well with no side effects and irritation. They had an overwhelmingly great response to the E.Y.E.S. product in their testing. They came to realize that our small company had produced a state-of-the-art product that was superior in the eyelash enhancement category. They enthusiastically wanted to be a part of this "discovery". Now, their website has been launched today (July 12, 2010) in an initial "trial run" to see how well the response will be to the E.Y.E.S. product world wide. If they receive the response that they believe they will, then the product will be immediately put on sale world wide. In the meantime, per the contracts, I have been allowed to continue to sell the E.Y.E.S. product for 3 more weeks. I can still sell it in the 4ml vial for $25.00. After the three week trial period, if they decide to go ahead with the full scale launch, I will no longer be able to sell this product through Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC. This will be fine with me, since I have always had the goal of selling this very functional, very safe, and relatively inexpensive product to as many world wide users as possible. I would very much like to see the E.Y.E.S. product replace the "drug active" products on the market today, that come with so many nasty side effects. That, is a worthy goal. Thanks so much for your support of our company, Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC, over the past years. Friends are a wonderful thing, and your support has been much appreciated. John
Sponsor. Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill" Cosmetic's line. http://www.neveroverthehill.com/http://shop.neveroverthehill.com/http://forums.delphiforums.com/notch/start
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NOTCH wrote:I am posting this brand new announcement because I want you to be among the first to know, since this forum has been quite supportive of the formulas that my company produces and sells.
Are you still selling an unstable sunscreen? I think you should remove it from your website. Skin Protecting Lotion; Simple and Light "This skin protection formula emulsion is formed by a unique combination of Jojoba oil derived raw materials. This naturally derived emulsifier system creates the smooth and light skin feel of this emollient lotion. The jojoba based materials provide a light, non-greasy feel to soothe the skin as it protects. The lotion has been formulated to protect the skin from the rays of the sun that cause premature skin aging. " Water, Hydrolyzed Jojoba Esters, Jojoba Esters, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Benzophenone-3, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Citric Acid, Ethylhexylglycerin, Xanthan Gum, PEG-150 Hydrogenated Jojoba http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15560736
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Hi, yes I'm still selling my Skin Protecting Lotion; Simple and Light. I think you may misunderstand how and why I sell that product. I make no SPF claims for this product. I make no UVA or UVB blocking claims for this product either. I don't sell it as a "sunscreen" product. As a matter of fact, the only reason the Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate and Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane are in the product are as "sacrificial" ingredients. They are in there to absorb any UV type radiation that the "product" itself may experience, thus saving the other active ingredients from potential UV radiation break down. In other words, those two ingredients are sacrificial lambs in this product. The study you reference points this out quite well! If you read it and understand it, the UV radiation that they used showed that the two ingredients were degraded. Of course! That is their purpose. They absorb the radiation, saving other ingredients from being affected adversely. It's like having a "wall of defense" built right into the formula. Surely those two ingredients won't have an infinite life in the product. The more sun radiation the product will eventually see, the more those two will be used up. The "real" active ingredients in my skin protecting lotion are the very skin friendly and skin compatible jojoba based ingredients in the product. Those extreme moisturizers are what the skin needs to be protected from drying out (and eventually wrinkling) from overexposure to the sun. I hope this helps explain how my product works, and what makes it so unique. John kosmeds wrote:Are you still selling an unstable sunscreen? I think you should remove it from your website. Skin Protecting Lotion; Simple and Light "This skin protection formula emulsion is formed by a unique combination of Jojoba oil derived raw materials. This naturally derived emulsifier system creates the smooth and light skin feel of this emollient lotion. The jojoba based materials provide a light, non-greasy feel to soothe the skin as it protects. The lotion has been formulated to protect the skin from the rays of the sun that cause premature skin aging. " Water, Hydrolyzed Jojoba Esters, Jojoba Esters, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Benzophenone-3, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Citric Acid, Ethylhexylglycerin, Xanthan Gum, PEG-150 Hydrogenated Jojoba http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15560736
Sponsor. Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill" Cosmetic's line. http://www.neveroverthehill.com/http://shop.neveroverthehill.com/http://forums.delphiforums.com/notch/start
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Your explanation does not hold up. Photolabile filters are not particularly protective, neither for skin nor for ingredients, especially after one hour. They may even be harmful.
Photostability is a prime requirement for protection against the harmful effects of UVA and UVB sunlight radiation (ref: Photochem Photobiol Sci. 2002 Dec;1(12):970-81). All of your UV filters are questionable, both singly and in combinations.
There are methods to improve photostability of UV filters but none are incorporated in your formulation.
Also, SPF testing is expensive.
The "real" active ingredients in your product according to your statement above provide protection from trans epidermal water loss, as does any occlusive. It would be more fitting to call it a moisturizer. These two statements should be revised.
"The lotion has been formulated to protect the skin from the rays of the sun that cause premature skin aging."
"This product will soothe and protect as well as guard against skin aging from the suns rays." ---
"The lotion has been formulated to protect the skin from transepidermal water loss."
"This product will moisturize while generating photoreactive intermediates that are potentially toxic to DNA as well as singlet state oxygen that damages skin constituents and contributes to cell death ."
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It is not my position to "warn" customers or to "scare" customers about anything that can potentially do anything. There is a possibility that the earth could be "potentially" struck by an asteroid and we could all die. You could drink 5 gallons of water in one sitting (water is a requirement of life), but you could "potentially" die from too much water. You could eat 1 pound of salt in one sitting (salt is a typical staple in our diet) yet you could "potentially" die from a heart attack. kosmeds, your argument loses ALL credibility the instant you use the word "potentially" in your accusations, and you do. Remember, it is all about the "DOSE" level and exposure time of any ingredient in any product. Knowing the levels of the ingredients in my products, I stand behind the safety and the efficacy of all my products. No changes in any wording or description is necessary. John
Sponsor. Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill" Cosmetic's line. http://www.neveroverthehill.com/http://shop.neveroverthehill.com/http://forums.delphiforums.com/notch/start
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Congrats John on getting a contract for the company to resell it. I bet the people used to getting it directly from you for less might not be too happy about that though. I tried your product (when you sent me some). It seemed like a good product. But I was not the best test subject simply because I don't use any stuff on my eyelashes as my eyes water too much from allergies so I don't bother even putting on mascara.
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John, You wanted some feedback on the website:
OK, it's not really clear whether or not one has the option of buying ONLY ONE (tenth of an) OUNCE for $49. For example it says: '$49/0.1 oz)' BUT THERE IS NO OPTION on the drop down menu to buy 0.1 oz. for $49. The consumer is kind of locked into buying .21 oz for $99.
If one can't buy 0.1 oz for $49, WHY EVEN MENTION IT on the site?
Order Risk Free Picture Product: E.Y.E.S Eyelash Growth Serum Price: $99.00 for unit of 0.21oz ($49/0.1oz) Shipping: $8.00 USPS 5-7 Business days (U.S. Only) Guarantee: 100% Satisfaction Limited Time Offer: FREE SHIPPING* * U.S. Only, Standard USPS Mail.
Can hardly walk. Need hip replacement.
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Thanks for the comments Miss J, I agree that this part of their website is confusing. When I first saw it a thought they were offering the product for just $49.00. Then I saw the "size" and realized that I'm not producing 0.1 oz. vials for them, I'm producing 0.21 oz. vials!! That confused me until I realized what they were trying to do. Their "comparison chart" essentially is comparing only 0.1 oz. of EACH of the products listed, and the price for only 0.1 oz. worth of EACH of the products. So, they compare apples to apples that way. I still think it is confusing just as you do, so I may mention it to them for fixing. Thanks again, and I hope you get all of your computer problems solved. I've lost computers to virus problems before and it is an incredible hassle to fix, not to mention all of the lost data, photos, information, etc. Good luck! John
Sponsor. Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill" Cosmetic's line. http://www.neveroverthehill.com/http://shop.neveroverthehill.com/http://forums.delphiforums.com/notch/start
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Here are some details of this business transaction since there seems to be some confusion stemming from this change. Remember, I had signed a secrecy agreement with this distribution firm while they were performing their trials, determining if they wanted to go with this product, and during the final contract negotiations. Now that the contract has been signed and their website has gone public, I can share this information: In 2010, I've had contacts from four different companies regarding my products. One was located in Scotland, one was in the U.S., one was in Toronto, and one was in the middle east. In the late spring of 2010 I was contacted again by the international distribution firm, headquartered in the middle east. They were very interested in purchasing the rights to sell my Moisturizing Eyelash Growth Serum. This is the exact same product I had sold through Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC since last July, for $25.00 per 4 ml vial. They purchased many 4ml vials from me, and during the early summer performed their own independent tests on volunteers. They then wrote back in June telling me that the trial runs were an absolute success, and that they wanted to purchase the rights to sell this product. Per the contract, they wanted to be able to sell the exact formula that I produce, under their own brand name of "E.Y.E.S." Enhance Your Eyelashes Serum. Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC would be under contract to produce, label, and ship to the distributor's location this eyelash enhancement product in new, 6 ml vials with built in applicator brush. I was unaware of the price that they were going to charge for the 6 ml vials, but I knew for sure that they were going to have to mark it up in order to make a profit as a distributor of this product. I am under contract to manufacture and sell this product to them at a much lower "wholesale" price, just like any business venture of this type would be arranged. It is totally up to them the price that they will charge "retail" to customers. I was a somewhat disappointed that I saw they were going to charge $99 for the 6ml vial, even though this is still a lower price than most other eyelash enhancement products on the market today. Even though the product works very well and is worth the money, I was hoping that they would come in at a lower retail price. I had no "say" in the final price decision. Per the contract, I am able to continue to sell the 4ml vials at $25.00 per vial under the Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC banner for just 3 more weeks. By August 1, this distribution firm will have sole rights to sell the E.Y.E.S. product, and I will cease to sell it independently. The distribution firm asked if I would like to remain as the focal point on their website for technical and sales information, as well as part of their marketing information. I agreed, since I know for sure that the product is the exact same one that I developed, and that it will be manufactured by Never Over The Hill Cosmetics LLC. That is why you see all of my biography and technical information on the website. Since the international distribution firm sells everything from cosmetics to jewelry, exercise equipment, you name it, they prefered not to use their name directly in conjunction with this product. It would have little or no marketing value for them to do so. My "name" and information would. So, there you have it. They have placed a company representative in the city of Phoenix to oversee the operations for them. This representative works with me on a daily basis. That is why you see the 623 area code phone number listed. I do indeed live in Mesa, and my manufacturing facility is also in Mesa. But, I have no direct ties to the distributors representative, or their company other than what is in the contract that I signed. This E.Y.E.S. product is totally under their control now, except for the manufacturing part, which I am under contract to do.I hope this helps to clear up any confusion that may have come up during this business transaction. John
Sponsor. Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill" Cosmetic's line. http://www.neveroverthehill.com/http://shop.neveroverthehill.com/http://forums.delphiforums.com/notch/start
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Looks like they are selling what you were selling for about $37 (for 6ml) for $99.
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I recently posted about wanting to have eyelash implants a few weeks ago. Since then I've done some research and spoken to patients who had it and I no longer consider having surgery. In the past I tried an eyelash growth enhancer called Lilash, and although it did well at giving me longer, thicker eyelashes, It ended up irritating my upper eyelids and giving them a darker color which never disappeared although I stopped using the product about two years ago. Is the product promoted here likely to give me the same side effects? Has anyone here used it and what are your thoughts? Just FIY, I have normal eyelashes and I never plucked them.
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