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Since I yet have to buy the the European high PPD formulas I decided to check out some of the local stuff - so yesterday I tried this new one from Neutrogena - I sprayed it on and it completely disappeared on my skin - so this gave me UVA/UVB protection with a chemical sunscreen (I don't know why they call it "sunblock" though - I thought only those with zinc or titatium oxide could be classified as sunblock - and then I put Shesiedo's sunblock which is 60 spf -and has 13% zinc oxide in it - I then wore a broad rimmed hat and sallied forth to run some errands - Well even though I went out at 9 and came back around 12 p.m. I don't think I got tanned at all - so maybe this works - has anyone tried the the Neutrogena line (with Helioplex)? I read some great reviews on Amazon - MUA did not review this one (the mist) - too new I guess
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FDA regulations discourage "sunblock" on labels and there is no offical definition. Same for waterproof, which is impossible. Instead they are using "water-resistant."
“Sunblock”
FDA position: The monograph does not include the use of the term “sunblock”; rather, it proposes labeling UVB and UVA protection levels as detailed above.
"Water-resistant” vs. “waterproof”
FDA position: If the product satisfies the corresponding FDA-recommended water resistance test, the product may carry one of these labels: water resistant, water/sweat resistant, or water/perspiration resistant, depending on protection levels shown in testing. The term “waterproof” will not be used.
RE: the neutrogena spray:
Yeah, it's nice and light but it's not tenacious. The alcohol evaporates leaving a precariously thin film. You will still get a lot of sun through it. People are reporting both burns and tans in actual use but you can still accumulate damage without a visible color change. The spray is one that you will definitely have to apply a lot of and reapply frequently and even then you will probably sweat it off if you are active or hot.
The lotions, which are actually pretty good, are going to be better for protection (PPD around 14, according to information they gave me), despite the fact that they may have the same labeled SPF and actives. But they are greasy. And you can do at least 50% better for UVA with the light Euro LRP 45 and 50+ sprays (PPD 20+) which are even less expensive per unit cost ($20 for 200 mls vs $11 for 88 mls).
But the Neutrogena lotions with helioplex will be a good compromise until you get something better.
Edited to add: when I first started using sunscreens, the only things I would use were the alcohol-based sprays like the Neutrogena body mist. I could not stand the feel of the lotions. But I needed better protection as I was still getting color on my face--at the time I had an hour long commute each way to work east and home heading west. I started experimenting with the ZnO based lotions and soon after learned about Mexoryl SX and XL the tinosorbs and then I switched to Anthelios and Bioderma. I learned to live with the lotions and the feel of grease on my skin, which I loathed. But I always preferred the feel of those alcohol sprays. The Anthelios sprays are not as light as the Neutrogena Body Mist but they are lighter than lotions. If all you can stand is the alcohol sprays then use them. But try to develop a tolerance for something more substantive.
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kosmeds wrote:FDA regulations discourage "sunblock" on labels and there is no offical definition. Same for waterproof, which is impossible. Instead they are using "water-resistant."
“Sunblock”
FDA position: The monograph does not include the use of the term “sunblock”; rather, it proposes labeling UVB and UVA protection levels as detailed above.
"Water-resistant” vs. “waterproof”
FDA position: If the product satisfies the corresponding FDA-recommended water resistance test, the product may carry one of these labels: water resistant, water/sweat resistant, or water/perspiration resistant, depending on protection levels shown in testing. The term “waterproof” will not be used.
RE: the neutrogena spray:
Yeah, it's nice and light but it's not tenacious. The alcohol evaporates leaving a precariously thin film. You will still get a lot of sun through it. People are reporting both burns and tans in actual use but you can still accumulate damage without a visible color change. The spray is one that you will definitely have to apply a lot of and reapply frequently and even then you will probably sweat it off if you are active or hot.
The lotions, which are actually pretty good, are going to be better for protection (PPD around 14, according to information they gave me), despite the fact that they may have the same labeled SPF and actives. But they are greasy. And you can do at least 50% better for UVA with the light Euro LRP 45 and 50+ sprays (PPD 20+) which are even less expensive per unit cost ($20 for 200 mls vs $11 for 88 mls).
But the Neutrogena lotions with helioplex will be a good compromise until you get something better.
Edited to add: when I first started using sunscreens, the only things I would use were the alcohol-based sprays like the Neutrogena body mist. I could not stand the feel of the lotions. But I needed better protection as I was still getting color on my face--at the time I had an hour long commute each way to work east and home heading west. I started experimenting with the ZnO based lotions and soon after learned about Mexoryl SX and XL the tinosorbs and then I switched to Anthelios and Bioderma. I learned to live with the lotions and the feel of grease on my skin, which I loathed. But I always preferred the feel of those alcohol sprays. The Anthelios sprays are not as light as the Neutrogena Body Mist but they are lighter than lotions. If all you can stand is the alcohol sprays then use them. But try to develop a tolerance for something more substantive.
Thanks for the feedback Kosmed - where did you read that people were getting burned with this? also I did try the lotion (the dry feel one) and I used to tolerate it pretty well the last 2/3 years but recently they changed the formula to include a new herb called "fever few" or something like that and I am very sensitive to that - My face gets inflamed and peels - so I have stopped using that - however this new spray works well - and what do you think of the SHISEIDO Sun protection lotion (blue bottle) that has 16.3 % zinc oxide? So I have gone through the info you sent me Kosmed and I have decided to get: (Drumroll please) La Roche Posay 50+ XL Spray without perfume 40 16.19 Eu/125 ml PPD 22 and I will get it from the pharma co company? What do you think? I know DCGNA may be using this too - I will have to look up her posts
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Yes, I'm using the 50 on Kosmed's rec. It does leave a sheen, but a sheen does not particularly bother me. It mostly absorbs after I put on make-up. Much to the chagrin of Kosmeds, I'm sure, I don't reapply several times per day. I am going to put some in a bottle to put on in the car when I go home in the afternoons though. I am indoors from 8:30 until I leave work at 4:30 each day, except for the rare occasion I go out for lunch. The ride home is the only other time I'm exposed to the sun on a work day. Thus, I'll carry a bottle with me to use to spray some on as I'm getting in the car to drive home each day. I don't care if it messes up my makeup by that time of day.
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Larazelle wrote:Thanks for the feedback Kosmed - where did you read that people were getting burned with this? Makeupally.com. When I used these kinds of sunscreens (mostly discontinued but with similar compositions) I still had color in my face. I didn't reach my sun protection nirvana until I started using the very high PPD stuff. It was amazing to me how much difference it made. I think it was especially evident to me for three reasons: 1. I have a very high propensity to tan, 2. I use a strong retinoid practically every night, and 3. I live in a very high insolation area. I've tried the cooling mist spray on my legs. It's nice and light. [ also I did try the lotion (the dry feel one) and I used to tolerate it pretty well the last 2/3 years but recently they changed the formula to include a new herb called "fever few" or something like that and I am very sensitive to that - My face gets inflamed and peels - so I have stopped using that] That's too bad. I didn't know they were using herbs in their formulas. They used to be known for avoiding botanicals precisely because of reactions like yours. [ - however this new spray works well ] Then keep using it until you get your better spray and from then on use it below the face, somewhere where you can keep reapplying throughout the day without messing up your makeup. [and what do you think of the SHISEIDO Sun protection lotion (blue bottle) that has 16.3 % zinc oxide? ] It's been reformulated recently and people aren't liking it as much. Although it had a nice texture (old formulation), the UVA protection was low (about PPD 8) and not worth the money. I never actually bought it myself but some generous people gave me samples. [So I have gone through the info you sent me Kosmed and I have decided to get: (Drumroll please) La Roche Posay 50+ XL Spray without perfume 40 16.19 Eu/125 ml PPD 22] I hope you like it. It is definitely heavier than the cooling mist spray but also lighter than the Neutrogena lotions. It's positioned somewhere in the middle. I don't think you'll mind it that much. If you're not happy with it you could try the SPF 40 spray, too, which is lighter--about as light as I'd suggest. And if you are brave and want to try something more protective than the 50+ spray, the dermo-peds 50+ lotion is the one to try. But it's heavier than the 50+ spray. I have to reapply the sprays, though. They are gone in about 3 hours for me. [and I will get it from the pharma co company? What do you think? I know DCGNA may be using this too - I will have to look up her posts] I think it was something like 10 days before I got my order.
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DCNGA wrote:Yes, I'm using the 50 on Kosmed's rec. It does leave a sheen, but a sheen does not particularly bother me. It mostly absorbs after I put on make-up. Much to the chagrin of Kosmeds, I'm sure, I don't reapply several times per day. I am going to put some in a bottle to put on in the car when I go home in the afternoons though. I am indoors from 8:30 until I leave work at 4:30 each day, except for the rare occasion I go out for lunch. The ride home is the only other time I'm exposed to the sun on a work day. Thus, I'll carry a bottle with me to use to spray some on as I'm getting in the car to drive home each day. I don't care if it messes up my makeup by that time of day. Hey DC - I just went online to the amazon link that you sent me for this product and it is $79 - for a pack of two - is that how much you paid - or am I looking at the wrong product Thanks Larazelle
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No, I did not pay that much at all. I paid around $48 or so wo/shipping for two. Let me look at my receipt and I'll let you know.
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It looks like they don't have it anymore or Amazon. I don't know what the diff is between XL and SX. ...this is from my receipt: $47.95 Shipping & Handling: $7.49 ------ Total for this Order: $55.44 Roche Posay Anthelios XL Spray SPF 50 (PACK OF TWO). "La Health and Beauty; $47.95 It came in about 4 days. They do have it on eBay (same company) for $49.95 and $5.95 shipping. This is their eBay store front, then just search for the Anthelios (the link is too long to post here): La Roche Posay Anthelios XL Spray SPF 50 http://shop.ebay.com/pharmamundi-usa/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
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The anthelios fluide extreme is super light, goes on easily and no shine. The texture is the best I've seen in any sunscreen, let alone one this good. It's the most expensive of all their formulas last time I looked so I use that on my face and neck and the spray for the rest of my body. The spray is thicker and greasier.
Only problem now is finding foundation light enough for my skin.
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Anna wrote:The anthelios fluide extreme is super light, goes on easily and no shine. The texture is the best I've seen in any sunscreen, let alone one this good. It's the most expensive of all their formulas last time I looked so I use that on my face and neck and the spray for the rest of my body. The spray is thicker and greasier.
Only problem now is finding foundation light enough for my skin. Anna - I believe you, but it sounds too good to be true - LOL Where did you get this wonderful product
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The face versions of 50+ are $16.50/oz which is why I didn't suggest them. If you apply it correctly and reapply often enough to get the labeled protection it will last only 2 weeks. I think $13/week is too much to spend on sun protection but most people will not be applying nearly enough or often enough to get the labeled protection values and might get a month to six weeks of use out of it. I really hate the high price points for "special" face products because the price and small bottle tend to make people apply less than they should. It's just marketing nonsense. Companies can use the same finish for face and body. They just want more money out of the consumer.
The USA version has PPD of around 14--you might as well get Neutrogena at that price and PPD. The older Euro one has PPD 28, newer one has PPD 38. I've tried the old Euro one and it's heavier and greasier than the 50+ spray.
If you want a deal, get the Bioderma photoderm 400 ml spray. It's over $50 but that's cheaper than Coppertone at Wal-Mart and it has PPD 38.
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Anna - I believe you, but it sounds too good to be true - LOL Where did you get this wonderful product
I get it on amazon. The seller I normally order from (dundar skin care) seems to be sold out but it's $19.50 per 1.7 oz there with free shipping. $11.50 per ounce, I use it on my face and neck only and a bottle lasts me about a month. I dont reapply throughout the day unless I'm out in the sun, I just touch up with my powder that has some sunscreen in it. I know I should be but just dont have the time to wash off my makeup and redo it all again if I'm inside all day. The texture is amazing and the only one I've found that doesnt break me out and doesn't roll off the skin. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002W2JJB0/ref=ox_ya_os_productKomeds, how do you know if it' old or new formula? where do you get the PPD ratings? I remember finding them somewhere a while back but they were inconsistent depending on where I looked. I remember reading somewhere that a lab tested a bunch of sunscreens and helioplex came out surprisingly low, although I cant find the link again.
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Komeds, how do you know if it' old or new formula? where do you get the PPD ratings?
Some sites list them, and they have different ingredients lists.
I remember finding them somewhere a while back but they were inconsistent depending on where I looked.
That's because formulation varies by country. You have to see the ingredients list. Ask the seller to know for sure.
I remember reading somewhere that a lab tested a bunch of sunscreens and helioplex came out surprisingly low
I think that was for water resistance.
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Anna wrote:I get it on amazon. The seller I normally order from (dundar skin care) seems to be sold out but it's $19.50 per 1.7 oz there with free shipping. $11.50 per ounce, I use it on my face and neck only and a bottle lasts me about a month. I dont reapply throughout the day unless I'm out in the sun, I just touch up with my powder that has some sunscreen in it. I know I should be but just dont have the time to wash off my makeup and redo it all again if I'm inside all day. The texture is amazing and the only one I've found that doesnt break me out and doesn't roll off the skin. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002W2JJB0/ref=ox_ya_os_productKomeds, how do you know if it' old or new formula? where do you get the PPD ratings? I remember finding them somewhere a while back but they were inconsistent depending on where I looked. I remember reading somewhere that a lab tested a bunch of sunscreens and helioplex came out surprisingly low, although I cant find the link again. Hi Anna - I went into the link and contrary to what you say the shipping is not free - its $6.95 - did you buy a whole bunch of them to get free shipping? I read the 2 reviews on this product - and was pleased to know that there is not much of a white cast on the face - however in one of your other posts you say Only problem now is finding foundation light enough for my skin. What do you mean by that - did it make your skin look lighter - are you olive skinned or darker? I am a bit confused LOL KOSMEDI know you say this product is expensive if you used it properly and daily - however I hardly leave the house before nightfall, except for two days a week - and one is late afternoon and the other is at 6:30 p.m. - so I don't think I will be using a lot -
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When I placed the order from that seller just a few days ago it was $19.50 per bottle and shipping was free if you do purchase over $100, maybe you can look around for a better deal or email the seller. It doesn't leave a white cast at all, it's just that my skin is naturally very pale and is now paler than ever since I've been using this so it's hard to find foundation.
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Anthelios , does not work for me i bought the Ultra light sunscreen fluide 60
and unfortunately is to oily for my taste, when I have it on my face looks abit like if put on oil on it.
it also is very easy to get rub off, my hair gets stuck to the face because of the oil film it leaves.
I think I am going to have to stick to the shiseido it works best for my skin type.
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I bought the same kind you did kk25 and it is kind of oily. I still put CALAMINE lotion on my face underneath for extra protection. Calamine lotion is a good sunblock although it does look like calamine lotion.
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MissJ wrote:I bought the same kind you did kk25 and it is kind of oily. I still put CALAMINE lotion on my face underneath for extra protection. Calamine lotion is a good sunblock although it does look like calamine lotion. MissJ ,lol yes did you get yours at cvs also? this kind does not work for me I have oily skin, perhaps it would be fine on someone that has normal skin. MissJ what store can I find the calamine lotion?
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Yes, I got at CVS. I end up blotting it which probably reduces it's effectiveness.
You can get Caamine lotion in CVS in the poison ivy section as that's what it's used for. get the stuff in the PINK bottle. thing is the stuff is a pinky white color.
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