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.... possible to be indentified through computer programs. Let's say that you have a snapshot of your neighbour and you want to know all about him (but you do not know his name) and you can online track his personal information and everything through an image identifying program. So all the photos pop up which have been posted by this person or even when other people have posted a picture of him along with personal information (Facebook etc.)...
And you will get to know that he is involved in plastic surgery and active in different forums where he posted once a picture.
So we might think we are kind of annomynous here because we are posting under a different name.... Not in the future.
Scary, isn't it.
MissJ, can you sooner or later think of a mechanism that this cannot happen to images we post here? Let's say, the images will be deleted automatically after a while?
Just a thought.
Sophia
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Just my own opinion but we are each responsible for our online personae, and it is our personal duty to husband ourselves in this regard.
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Also, the facial id software will likely need certain 'landmarks' on your face to identify you. Profile pics, unless that is all you ever posted, would be difficult to identify against a full, frontal face pic. Just obscure areas of your face that could be used as 'landmarks" (ears, pupils, etc) so that it would be hard to identify you.
DCNGA has left the board and is no longer taking PMs. She requests that if you wish to e-mail her to use her direct e-mail address which is: laserandiplsupport@gmail.com
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Plus weight gain, facial hair etc. still throws this technology off.
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The big photo stock houses are using something similar but not as invasive. They are able to fingerprint each of their images so they can trace where they are being used on the web for copyright infringement. http://www.picscout.com/solutions/image-irc.htmlThe ID software Sophia brought up sounds scary. I am going to start wearing one of these when I go out.
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Kind of off topic but someone was calling in sick at work, then his g/f posted something on Facebook about him coming back home. Not pretty. I think he might get fired over this.
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Well, one thing I have done on this board is to make some boards 'members only' access. That right there cuts out god knows how LARGE a cyber lurker population having instant viewing access to your photos. I've also 'rigged' the system where people signing up are automatically "unapproved" where they still dont have access to all the boards or many times, I simply close down new membership. So, membership here and access to a lot of the info on my board is highly LIMITED. A large core of my posters are 'cherry picked' by me as those with a history of my having prior familiarity with them elsewhere and many, my own private clients. What I'm getting at here is that my board and a very 'core' part of it is populated by INSIDERS in MY GRAPEVINE and in such a way that 'outsiders' (like lurkers and those who insist on being anon entities to ME) have very LIMITED access to the info on my board. So, that alone significantly is going to LOWER the chances of an outsider gleaning photo documents from here. Not entirely but much more so than a board with 'open' membership in which most of the sign ups are 'anon entities' to the hostess with whom he/she has no prior familiarity. So, you already have some protections here in that regard that you don't on other boards. With regard to photos: Consider that people who want feedback on their photos are wanting free public advice from a variety of posters. Yes, one of the trade-offs for that is there is a photo up there. However, individuals who truly wish to keep totally private, have always had the option of private analysis from me directly. Although that is not 'free', there is like no way in hell, their photos would ever hit an open venue where those other than myself would have access to them. With regard to images being deleted, they are not deleted automatically. In fact, for those wanting free advice (eg morphs etc), the problem becomes one where the advice givers who put effort into helping are deprived of any credit for doing so when the person takes the advice and runs (deletes the photo) and also that future readers who could benefit by viewing the photos/morphs advice etc. are deprived of that. Hence, I don't want a situation where free aesthetic advice (and we are talking it coming from a lot of advanced 'eyes' here who have learned to 'see' things via private analysis from me), to be used only for the SOLE benefit of the person getting it. Here it's put toward the public good or lets say the limited good of the private members able to view it. From my perspective, people wishing to be totally private where there is no chance, someone other than me can see their photos have been able to exercise that via private analysis. Those wishing open feedback on their photos also have that option. However, the option needs to also benefit other members in some way as in morphers getting credit for that and advice givers being on record for that, in which case, the photo remains. There is also an OPTION to remove your photos YOURSELF. However, if you wish to do so, you need to tell the potential advice givers (eg someone who could morph it); "DO NOT COPY" and that you will be deleting the photos soon. In THAT WAY, you have the option of deleting your photo and ALSO giving a heads up on potential advice givers that there will be a deletion, in which case they won't get credit for giving advice (hard to cross reference advice when a photo is gone) and then the advice givers can decide IF they wish to give it under those circumstances. Sophia wrote:.... possible to be indentified through computer programs. Let's say that you have a snapshot of your neighbour and you want to know all about him (but you do not know his name) and you can online track his personal information and everything through an image identifying program. So all the photos pop up which have been posted by this person or even when other people have posted a picture of him along with personal information (Facebook etc.)...
And you will get to know that he is involved in plastic surgery and active in different forums where he posted once a picture.
So we might think we are kind of annomynous here because we are posting under a different name.... Not in the future.
Scary, isn't it.
MissJ, can you sooner or later think of a mechanism that this cannot happen to images we post here? Let's say, the images will be deleted automatically after a while?
Just a thought.
Sophia
Can hardly walk. Need hip replacement.
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Hi MissJ, thanks a lot. I totally understand what you are saying and I appreciate the board (and with it the memebers) a lot. My comment was not by all means meant as a criticism. Sorry if it came across as such. I think a good thing was to make the two boards (lip and augmentation) a "members only" board. In that way it is not open to public and threads would not appear on google. My thought was also more general one that we all need to rething our actions on the internet. Yes, of course we all write and act to some kind of "internet rules" but we also post with the assumption that if we use a poster name and not our real name we have some kind of privacy. But in a couple of years it will be possible through a picture to find out all your actions and your profile in the internet. It is a scary vision which might be reality in future. As long as "our board" is not open for public I think we might be safe because our threads or pictures (and once you have the picture and identity you can go on with your research on the board).... would not appear on search engines. For example the software "recognizr". Recognizr is a new application that can figure out who someone is and auto-discover social networking information about them based solely on a photo. Or goggles (a program from google) can already identify things, name them and provide all information about them. You search for information with a photo not with typing. Sorry MissJ, I do not want to create any criticism, nor do I want to create fear among the members. And I also see the point that once we had posted a picture asking for advice and than deleted the photo it is unfair to all those who gave advice and than make it unworthy because without any picture you cannot relate the information. Thanks MissJ for your detailed reply. I DO feel better now. Sometimes it really scares me what all is possible on the net. I am too old fashioned for this. MissJ wrote:Well, one thing I have done on this board is to make some boards 'members only' access. That right there cuts out god knows how LARGE a cyber lurker population having instant viewing access to your photos. I've also 'rigged' the system where people signing up are automatically "unapproved" where they still dont have access to all the boards or many times, I simply close down new membership. So, membership here and access to a lot of the info on my board is highly LIMITED. A large core of my posters are 'cherry picked' by me as those with a history of my having prior familiarity with them elsewhere and many, my own private clients.
What I'm getting at here is that my board and a very 'core' part of it is populated by INSIDERS in MY GRAPEVINE and in such a way that 'outsiders' (like lurkers and those who insist on being anon entities to ME) have very LIMITED access to the info on my board. So, that alone significantly is going to LOWER the chances of an outsider gleaning photo documents from here. Not entirely but much more so than a board with 'open' membership in which most of the sign ups are 'anon entities' to the hostess with whom he/she has no prior familiarity. So, you already have some protections here in that regard that you don't on other boards.
With regard to photos:
Consider that people who want feedback on their photos are wanting free public advice from a variety of posters. Yes, one of the trade-offs for that is there is a photo up there. However, individuals who truly wish to keep totally private, have always had the option of private analysis from me directly. Although that is not 'free', there is like no way in hell, their photos would ever hit an open venue where those other than myself would have access to them.
With regard to images being deleted, they are not deleted automatically. In fact, for those wanting free advice (eg morphs etc), the problem becomes one where the advice givers who put effort into helping are deprived of any credit for doing so when the person takes the advice and runs (deletes the photo) and also that future readers who could benefit by viewing the photos/morphs advice etc. are deprived of that. Hence, I don't want a situation where free aesthetic advice (and we are talking it coming from a lot of advanced 'eyes' here who have learned to 'see' things via private analysis from me), to be used only for the SOLE benefit of the person getting it. Here it's put toward the public good or lets say the limited good of the private members able to view it.
From my perspective, people wishing to be totally private where there is no chance, someone other than me can see their photos have been able to exercise that via private analysis. Those wishing open feedback on their photos also have that option. However, the option needs to also benefit other members in some way as in morphers getting credit for that and advice givers being on record for that, in which case, the photo remains.
There is also an OPTION to remove your photos YOURSELF. However, if you wish to do so, you need to tell the potential advice givers (eg someone who could morph it); "DO NOT COPY" and that you will be deleting the photos soon. In THAT WAY, you have the option of deleting your photo and ALSO giving a heads up on potential advice givers that there will be a deletion, in which case they won't get credit for giving advice (hard to cross reference advice when a photo is gone) and then the advice givers can decide IF they wish to give it under those circumstances.
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No problem. It scares me too.
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