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I found this quite interesting as they mention Realself and a doctor posting on RS: LINK
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Here are some more complaints about Lifestyle Lift. The following two links have to do with a woman (Mrs Ames) DYING in the process of getting a LifeStyle Lift. Her son, Evan Ames is suing. Evan is actually a life guard at the pool I swim at. I met him there a few weeks ago. I don't know how I got on the topic of plastic surgery (well, I guess that's something I'm just used to talking about a lot and some how get on that subject). But anyway, he told me his mother DIED from plastic surgery. I inquired further and he said it was a face lift. Of course, I asked who the doctor was and told him I know a LOT about that sort of thing. He told me LIFE STYLE LIFT doctor in Metro West area. At that point, I started telling him ALL ABOUT LSL and how I was one of the first people to be really vocal about the dangers many years back and how the owner Kent, was doing 'stuff' to give me trouble. I told him that if he needed it, I'd be happy to be an expert witness as to some of the 'stuff'/'antics' LSL has done on message boards. I'm sure Nancy remembers the 'patient' posters of LSL on Danya's board and on MMH. LSL folks would get up there and try to FORGE my signature like to make the sign in look like it was me. So, when I got on MMH, I used my full e mail addy as my sign in name as to put a damper on forgeries. Suit ties death of woman to LifeStyle LiftLifestyle Lift death
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It looks like the place where they operated on Ms. Ames wasn't properly equipped, probably inexperienced doctor and staff as well. We were definitely "fighting the battle" with the LSL posters back in those days, glad that's over. MissJ it's quite the coincidence that you would run into her son by chance.
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Of course it was not properly equipped. What LSL does is resolve their face lifts to use of LIDOCAINE. When all a doctor is using for procedures is lidocaine, it's just kind of assumed that the procedure is minor enough that other types of anesthesia are not needed or other types of equipment are not needed either. She had a reaction subsequent to the lidocaine as I understand and they waited too long to call 911 and she died. It's like this: Some minor derm procedures; say f/g in derms office or lipo in derms office just require lidocaine to do them. In those type of offices, they are not accredited to do other types of surgery that needs more sophisticated anesthesia so they stick with doing stuff for which you can just use the lidocaine. Usually for face lifts, one uses lidocaine but needs some other type of anesthesia--say twilight. Now, once you get into using the other types of anesthesia, the office is required to have all the safety equipment in check and for that to be an ACCREDITED surgical facility. What LSL was doing was GETTING OUT of the expense of doing surgeries in ACCREDITED surgical units (with back up safety measures) by resolving their procedures to "lidocaine only" procedures. In an ACCREDITED surgical unit that CAN use other types of anesthesia, they have emergency back up systems in place if there is a problem like the anesthesia is monitored and controlled. Also, the doc doing a face lift can make a JUDGEMENT CALL before hand as to what type of anesthesia would be best for the procedure. With LSL, there is no such pre judgement as to what kind of anesthesia to use as it all resolves to just lidocaine and when all they have is lidocaine, there usually are no back up emergency measures that you find in accredited surgical units using other types of anesthesia. I met him when I was trying to get a lane in the pool and asked him to tell the person in one lane that I was going to share it. You see the protocol is to sit at edge of lane, dangle feet and let other swimmer you are coming in. But I can't do that due to my HIP. So, I have to walk down the steps backwards at other end like old lady and not able to follow protocol of entering a lane far away, so I asked him to assist me by telling other swimmer I was going to enter soon. He offered to help me out of the pool afterwards and I think I started talking about how I was hoping the only surgery I needed was a face lift and not a hip replacement. Then he started telling me about his mother dying from a face lift and then the rapport started. Yes, it is a coincidence but then again, I have fluky timing. It was a coincidence because the same day, my lawyer showed me the complaint he lodged to the Florida bar about LSL getting some 'cyber detective' company to give the appearance they were in some legal capacity to 'get me' or one of my posters for posting an article they did not like. NancyS wrote:It looks like the place where they operated on Ms. Ames wasn't properly equipped, probably inexperienced doctor and staff as well.
We were definitely "fighting the battle" with the LSL posters back in those days, glad that's over.
MissJ it's quite the coincidence that you would run into her son by chance.
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That would be Dr. Prenderville. "Stephen Prendiville, a Fort Myers, Fla., facial plastic surgeon, says he's treated several patients who were unhappy with the results they got at Lifestyle Lift. Most had "visible, poorly executed face-lift scars with no discernible aesthetic improvement," he says. USA TODAY interviewed six other plastic surgeons who did not want their names used but made similar comments." full story on : USA TODAYDCNGA wrote:I found this quite interesting as they mention Realself and a doctor posting on RS: LINK
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Wow. That link to the USA Today article was a long and interesting read! It appears that some of the pathetic practices LifeStyle Lift employees participated in have already resulted in a lawsuit: "Two years ago, Lifestyle Lift settled a lawsuit by then-New York attorney general Andrew Cuomo charging that the company was writing its own online testimonials for existing websites and at least 10 sites it created to appear consumer-generated." And it looks like they continue to self-promote. The article states that LSL has a 51% "Worth It" rating at RealSelf. Well, it's up to 52% now - I just checked! I, for one, would not consider any procedure with an approval rating below at least 80%. (Sidebar: when I got the MixTo face-fry 2 years ago, that procedure was rated in the 80+ percentile at RealSelf; now it has sunk to 59%.) I am shocked that the LSL sales offices (call 'em whatyouwill) are allowed to perform small, medium and large incision surgery without the facility being officially accredited OR the doc necessarily having hospital privileges in case something goes wrong. To allow patients to hop into a taxi unaccompanied after surgery is NUTS! To blame a person for not attending to an infected wound in a "timely manner" is incredibly callous. Having myself been in a delirious state with 104 degree fever after that post-MixTo staph infection, I can well sympathize with a person recovering alone who is simply not of sound mind or body to get themselves to an emergency room. It seems that instead of a radical change in protocols and procedures at LSL, they will drag out the lawsuits, fighting each one tooth and nail, blaming the patients for "pre-existing" health conditions, laxity, or some lame excuse that allows the executives to deny reality: they are performing elective and invasive surgery without proper safety measures or protocols in place. Well MissJ, it sure looks like Fate brought you and the victim's son together at the pool. I hope if you are ever called into court as an expert witness, though, the wolves at LSL won't drag you down! That could be a real prickly patch to negotiate.
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Hi Bugjune.
Most of my 'stuff' about LSL is on the MMH board but now hard to find since it used to be a 'sticky' there. I don't go on too much about LSL here because I have a very high per capita informed or 'smart' membership here. Like it would be rare for a Miss J member to even consider a LSL.
Anyway, I'm hoping the life guard (who's mother died having a LSL) does not settle and just goes through with the suit. He does seemed concerned about other women being harmed this way and kind of realizes that pursuing the suit and not settling stands to do the most good for the most potential patients.
For the most part, LSL appeals to people who 'depend' on TV or media ADVERTISEMENTS for 'information' which again, I stress is LOW on the pecking order for getting info. For good PS info, one has to go where the info is good and that's here.
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I don't think it was a 'coincidence' you met the lifeguard. I think it was fated. Quite a number of citations on google scholar re:LSL LINKQuote:Brewer filed claims against Standefer and Lifestyle Lift for what she describes as a "botched face lift." Brewer filed an expert report and curriculum vitae of Carl Warren Adams, M.D. within 120 days of filing her claim pursuant to chapter 74 of the Texas Civil Practice and Remedies Code. See TEX. CIV. PRAC. & REM.CODE ANN. § 74.351(a). See Act of June 2, 2003, 78th Leg. R.S., ch. 204, § 10.01, 2003 Tex. Gen. Laws 847, 875, amended by Act of May 18, 2005, 79th Leg., R.S., ch. 635, § 2, 2005 Tex. Gen Laws 1590, 1590 (hereinafter 2003 version).[1] Both Standefer and Lifestyle Lift filed objections and motions to dismiss contending the report was insufficient. See id. §§ 74.351(b), (r)(6) (Vernon Supp.2008). The trial court denied Standefer's motion to dismiss in its entirety, finding the report adequate, and granted Brewer a 30-day extension under section 74.351(c) to cure the deficiency as to Lifestyle Lift. See id. § 74.351(c).
LINKQuote:Defendants Lifestyle Lift, Scientific Image Center Management, Inc., David M. Kent, P.C., Lifestyle Holding, Inc., and David M. Kent, D.O. move this Court to dismiss Plaintiffs Mary Factor and John Newby's (collectively, the "Plaintiffs") claims. [Doc. 12-1.] Plaintiffs seek to represent a class of individuals that underwent the Lifestyle Lift procedure and say that (1) Defendants fraudulently misrepresented that the procedure was "a minimally invasive, simple, uncomplicated and relatively painless . . . procedure with a short recovery and recuperation period," and (2) Defendants breached a contract to provide a procedure fitting that description. [Doc. 1-2, Ex. A at 6.] Quote:The plaintiffs, LL NJ, Inc. and Lifestyle Lift Holding Company, Inc., are in the business of preforming facelifts and other cosmetic surgery, with facilities located in several states, including Michigan. Defendant NBC-Subsidiary (WCAU-TV), L.P., an affiliate station of the National Broadcasting Company (NBC), broadcast an exposé focusing on certain dissatisfied patients of the plaintiffs at their clinic in Little Falls, New Jersey. Immediately after the broadcast was aired, the plaintiffs brought the present action asserting claims for (1) violation of the New Jersey Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Control Act, (2) trespass to land, (3) violation of the Lanham Act, and (4) defamation. Only the defamation and trespass counts remain, and the defendants have moved for summary judgment on those. The plaintiffs in turn have moved for partial summary judgment on the trespass count. They also have filed a motion to maintain the confidentiality of certain documents filed under seal. The Court heard oral argument on the motions on October 4, 2007 and now finds that fact questions preclude summary judgment on the defamation claim, and the trespass cause of action, which must be decided under New Jersey law, ought to be left for decision by the courts of New Jersey because there is scant authority available to guide this Court's decision. Therefore, the summary judgment motions will be denied, and the trespass claim will be dismissed without prejudice. A review of the documents the plaintiffs request to keep confidential convinces the Court that, with minor exceptions that can be addressed by redaction, only two pages of documents should remain under seal.
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