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Hope40
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47:51 PM
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Thanks, Nim. You know what's sad: I remember my mom's best friend told her (and me) about flax years ago. This woman is a health nut, has great skin and is cancer-free so far (81). We should have listened. I will do. I realize that post sounded like my skin is perfect. It's not. I have middle-aged acne, large pores, plenty of problems. But it just looks younger than my age. Lucky, but a little worrisome for reasons I mentioned.
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earl25 wrote:
Im stiill waiting for my first hurrah


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Nim wrote:
Hope40..........Look into flax seed. I buy a bag of organic flax seed at the health food store. Get a small coffee grinder (they have them at Bed, Bath and Beyond) and grind enough seeds for 4 or 5 days worth. Put the ground flax in a glass container with a tight top and keep it in the refrig. Put a teaspoon or two of flax in yogurt, on cereal, ice cream, soup, whatever, everyday......it pulls the excess estrogen from your body and is perhaps the best breast cancer preventive you can use.


The studies i am able to find do not reference a mechanism of "pulling" estrogen from your body. do you have some sources to share?

Also they talk about impact to estrogen receptor negative breast cancer, not estrogen receptor positive bc.

There does appear to be a promise of some preventive effect for both men and women.

from the american cancer society website:
Most of the evidence for an anti-cancer effect of flaxseed and flaxseed oil comes from research using laboratory animals or cells grown in laboratory dishes. In one cell culture study, flaxseed lignans reduced stickiness and movement of breast cancer cells, both properties related to the cancer's ability to spread or metastasize. Researchers have also found that mice fed flaxseed had reduced formation, growth, or spread of prostate cancer, breast cancer, and melanoma. Flaxseed reduced pre-cancerous colon polyps in one study of rats, but in another study showed no effect on intestinal cancer in mice. In a 2007 report, flaxseed reduced growth of breast cancer cells in mice and enhanced the effectiveness of tamoxifen, a standard drug for hormonal therapy. Since then, other studies have looked at tamoxifen and flaxseed in animals, but human studies are still needed to find out if the effects hold true for humans.

There have been some small studies of the effects of flaxseed in humans. A small study of 15 men found that a low-fat diet supplemented with flaxseed lowered their blood prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels and slowed the growth of benign prostate cells. Another study of 25 men with prostate cancer found that a low-fat diet along with ground flaxseed reduced serum testosterone, slowed the growth rate of cancer cells, and increased the death rate of cancer cells. A 2008 study looked at men with prostate cancer who were scheduled for surgery. Researchers gave some men flaxseed while others ate their usual diets; some were put on low fat diets. The men who got the flaxseed had slower cancer growth than those who did not, regardless of total fat intake. This was a fairly small study that did not look at survival or relapse rates. A 2011 study that compared flaxseed and low fat diets in men with prostate cancer found that a low fat diet, but not flaxseed, helped lower certain factors in the blood that are linked to prostate cancer growth.

More research in humans is needed to determine the usefulness of flaxseed in cancer treatment and prevention. Animal and laboratory studies show promise, but human studies are conflicting. Further studies are needed to be sure which results apply to humans.
Nim
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:32:02 PM
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I don't do research....I just read lots of natural, alternative books that tell ways to stay healthy. There will be very little, if any studies of the benefits of flax seed on humans because the big pharm companies cannot make any money on it. It cannot be patented as it grows out of the ground naturally. Why would they pour money into something that may only keep customers away from using their medications?

I have what you might call a library of books on wellness and how to stay that way. All I know is every book that mentions flaxseed, and most do, say flaxseed is one of the most remarkable healing foods of our time. It has two critical parts, flax oil, rich in omega 3's and a special fiber that protects against breast cancer and heart disease.

If you do decide to try it, after doing your own reading, buy the whole, organic seeds and grind enough to use for a few days. I would stay away from the oil, just because once it is out of the seed, it does not stay fresh and potent very long, and you will not be getting the benefits you should be getting. And you don't really know how long it has been sitting around in a delivery truck.

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Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:39:49 PM
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Hope40..........Don't worry! Start reading and educate yourself on preventive medicine. There is so much you can do for your adult acne. Read about de-toxing. And I mean read, and alot....learn about the different types there are and what you think would work for you. Maybe try it for a day or two......There are also vitamins that can help big time. Again....Don't worry, be pro-active!

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Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:31:30 PM
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They sell ground up flax seed. It's called; "Bob's Red Hill" ground up flax seed. Trader Joe's has it.


Nim wrote:
Hope40..........Look into flax seed. I buy a bag of organic flax seed at the health food store. Get a small coffee grinder (they have them at Bed, Bath and Beyond) and grind enough seeds for 4 or 5 days worth. Put the ground flax in a glass container with a tight top and keep it in the refrig. Put a teaspoon or two of flax in yogurt, on cereal, ice cream, soup, whatever, everyday......it pulls the excess estrogen from your body and is perhaps the best breast cancer preventive you can use.
MissJ
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:36:29 PM
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You really should consider getting the already ground up flax meal though and just put that in the freezer. Saves a lot of time grinding up the stuff.

Here's something to do with whole flax seeds:

Make an eye compress with them by sewing a silk packet that you can put over your eyes. It's very relaxing.

Nim wrote:
I don't do research....I just read lots of natural, alternative books that tell ways to stay healthy. There will be very little, if any studies of the benefits of flax seed on humans because the big pharm companies cannot make any money on it. It cannot be patented as it grows out of the ground naturally. Why would they pour money into something that may only keep customers away from using their medications?

I have what you might call a library of books on wellness and how to stay that way. All I know is every book that mentions flaxseed, and most do, say flaxseed is one of the most remarkable healing foods of our time. It has two critical parts, flax oil, rich in omega 3's and a special fiber that protects against breast cancer and heart disease.

If you do decide to try it, after doing your own reading, buy the whole, organic seeds and grind enough to use for a few days. I would stay away from the oil, just because once it is out of the seed, it does not stay fresh and potent very long, and you will not be getting the benefits you should be getting. And you don't really know how long it has been sitting around in a delivery truck.
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:25:08 PM
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HateMeI'mALawyer wrote:
I've been thinking. Don't you guys believe that after forty-five it's pretty much downhill, looks-wise? I mean, from forty to forty-five, especially if you're a guy, you can with a lot of work, and by work I mean sun avoidance, peels, maybe a nip and tuck here and there, weights and cardio, look like you're still in your mid to late thirties. And I guess women can too, right? Especially if you've got decent hair and overall good genetics. People tend think that's how old I am. I had a woman just a few days ago look at and say, "What are you, about thirty-seven or eight?" And I was fine with that 'cause I'm really forty effin three, about to be forty-four.

My point is that the gap from forty-five to fifty . . . it's sort of the last hurrah, don't you think? After that, we all just look middle-aged. Jesus, that's so depressing. Ugh.


I think men have it better than women. I've heard many times that it's difficult for most women to look great after 45, without some tweeking at least fillers or Botox, peels, whatever. Some women look bad after 35, if they've had a bad lifestyle, too much sun damage, etc.
But I think eventually hormonal changes are what make many women start to decline in looks after mid-late 40s..it really is depressing. I think surgery can only do so much. Prevention is the best, but eventually age will catch up. I guess older people focus on other stuff, but it's difficult to feel confident if you feel down about your appearance, and we are all judged no matter what.
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:04:46 PM
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Yeah.........As my big sis says, "It's ALL visual!"

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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:40:23 PM
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MissJ wrote:
You really should consider getting the already ground up flax meal though and just put that in the freezer. Saves a lot of time grinding up the stuff.



Ground flax and chia seeds oxidize very quickly, even in the freezer. So be careful to only buy flax that is freshly ground (ie right in front of you) that you will use within a week or two tops and store it in the freezer.

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Nim
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Yeah, that's what I read, so I buy the seeds and grind just two or three days worth. But, I just read that I should be keeping the ground flax in the freezer, not the refrigerator! So, you were on to something there, MissJ!

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Chris K
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Robin wrote:


The studies i am able to find do not reference a mechanism of "pulling" estrogen from your body. do you have some sources to share?

Also they talk about impact to estrogen receptor negative breast cancer, not estrogen receptor positive bc.

There does appear to be a promise of some preventive effect for both men and women.

from the american cancer society website:
Most of the evidence for an anti-cancer effect of flaxseed and flaxseed oil comes from research using laboratory animals or cells grown in laboratory dishes. In one cell culture study, flaxseed lignans reduced stickiness and movement of breast cancer cells, both properties related to the cancer's ability to spread or metastasize. Researchers have also found that mice fed flaxseed had reduced formation, growth, or spread of prostate cancer, breast cancer, and melanoma. Flaxseed reduced pre-cancerous colon polyps in one study of rats, but in another study showed no effect on intestinal cancer in mice. In a 2007 report, flaxseed reduced growth of breast cancer cells in mice and enhanced the effectiveness of tamoxifen, a standard drug for hormonal therapy. Since then, other studies have looked at tamoxifen and flaxseed in animals, but human studies are still needed to find out if the effects hold true for humans.

There have been some small studies of the effects of flaxseed in humans. A small study of 15 men found that a low-fat diet supplemented with flaxseed lowered their blood prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels and slowed the growth of benign prostate cells. Another study of 25 men with prostate cancer found that a low-fat diet along with ground flaxseed reduced serum testosterone, slowed the growth rate of cancer cells, and increased the death rate of cancer cells. A 2008 study looked at men with prostate cancer who were scheduled for surgery. Researchers gave some men flaxseed while others ate their usual diets; some were put on low fat diets. The men who got the flaxseed had slower cancer growth than those who did not, regardless of total fat intake. This was a fairly small study that did not look at survival or relapse rates. A 2011 study that compared flaxseed and low fat diets in men with prostate cancer found that a low fat diet, but not flaxseed, helped lower certain factors in the blood that are linked to prostate cancer growth.

More research in humans is needed to determine the usefulness of flaxseed in cancer treatment and prevention. Animal and laboratory studies show promise, but human studies are conflicting. Further studies are needed to be sure which results apply to humans.





hemp seeds are also excellent. some say hemp seeds are better than flax.
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"fats that heal, fats that kill" is a must read by udo erasmus
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I've always used the kind (ground up) they sold at Trader Joes and they seemed to keep fresh in freezer. You can tell if the fat in them has oxidized because it would have a rancid smell. I never smelled that rancid smell with them.

However, if you are ambitious enough to grind the things daily, then, ya--that's gotta be better.


Nim wrote:
Yeah, that's what I read, so I buy the seeds and grind just two or three days worth. But, I just read that I should be keeping the ground flax in the freezer, not the refrigerator! So, you were on to something there, MissJ!
MissJ
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Ya, I hope no one around here eats margarine or that Crisco hydrogenated vegetable shortening. Cold pressed oils are best but they need refrigeration and always check the smell because the cold pressed ones can get rancid fast and rancid oils are real bad for you.


Chris K wrote:
"fats that heal, fats that kill" is a must read by udo erasmus
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Nim wrote:
I don't do research....I just read lots of natural, alternative books that tell ways to stay healthy. There will be very little, if any studies of the benefits of flax seed on humans because the big pharm companies cannot make any money on it. It cannot be patented as it grows out of the ground naturally. Why would they pour money into something that may only keep customers away from using their medications?

I have what you might call a library of books on wellness and how to stay that way. All I know is every book that mentions flaxseed, and most do, say flaxseed is one of the most remarkable healing foods of our time. It has two critical parts, flax oil, rich in omega 3's and a special fiber that protects against breast cancer and heart disease.
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Just because something is natural that it won't be studied. It just won't be studied by the pharma industry. Flaxseed is the most concentrated source available of lignans, which have been shown in some studies to inhibit certain types of cancers.

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earl25 wrote:
Im stiill waiting for my first hurrah

that's because you are afraid of the Hurrah, we seen your pictures and honestly you are a very attractive man
the only thing keeping you away from your Hurrah is you and NOT your looks.
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