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Exactly what I was thinking! Like a PhotoShop job or something. I have to ask, WHO'S soft, full 30-something face is sitting on top of that crepey, speckled, 80+ yr old chest ... connected by a turkey waddle neck! UGH. But wow! Her face looks freakishly youthful and filled. ==================== cybergirl wrote:^^^It always looks weird when someone past a certain age (with a sun damaged neck and chest) has a filled glossy face. It just doesn't match up.
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Just for the record: I was born in 1955. Very fair skin. Everyone was in to tanning till about the early 1980s when the connection between UVA and skin cancer started to come out. In my mid-20s, I became anal about putting sunblock on my face and neck area. I stopped going to the tanning salon completely by the time I was 32 (and kick myself for ever having gone to those joints). Trouble is, I hated being SO FAIR! I think the info has been out there a long time for folks to learn about protecting themselves from the sun. But Olivia seems to have enjoyed the short-term benefit of glowing skin vs the long-term reality of looking awful for decades - even as the battle gets tougher for staying youthful-looking.
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kosmeds wrote:Des Fernandes made some improvement in neck crepe with topical C and very aggressive dermarolling. I'd combine that with periodic peels, tretinoin or tazarotene, sun avoidance, and possibly surgery to redrape the skin. But it takes a lot of time! You can't go too deep on the neck--it will scar.
Yes, sun exposure/avoidance is elective. SPF was first described in 1962 and Coppertone sunscreens were readily available in the late 60s. I remember the ads from when I was vacationing in Sanibel Island; at the time the little girl with the exposed rear end was Jodie Foster. They didn't provide much protection but they were better than unlimited exposure. Yes, Coppertone was available in #4 and #8. As you acknowledged, it did not do much and was mostly promoted to get that deep Coppertone tan. Kudos to you, kosmeds, for getting the message early and avoiding the sun. Many, many, many people of a certain age were not so fortunate and there was no internet and very little information on the long term effects of sun exposure. When one's parents threw you out on the beach with no sun protection, or Coppertone #4 (cause it smelled so nice) and no education about the long term effect of UV (because they did not know), is that one's own fault? No. The information was not available until the 1980's. Even then, the golden tan was promoted as sexy and desirable. Yes, smart people like yourself and perhaps your mother got the message but many did not (I'll include myself in this group). In my opinion, people did not really get the message until the early 1990's via the internet. I think you're great, kosmeds, and appreciate all the helpful information you provide, and yeah, without ever even seeing you I envy you and what I assume is your amazing skin due to your sun avoidance. Despite my respect and appreciation for your knowledge, to suggest to a 63 year old like Olivia Newton-John should have known better to stay out of the sun is (fill in the blank). Certainly if she KNEW what would happen to her chest at 63, she would have avoided the sun but clearly, she was not privy to this information. OK, love ya but come on!!
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The information was around in the early 70's. I loved getting a dark tan and there were people that would caution me about what I was doing to my skin. Luckily, I finally started to believe what I was hearing and avoided the sun completely by the end of the 70's. So she probably did know what could happen but when you're young you don't really process the information about what could happen so far in the future.
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in the 1960s to 70s my aunt would always say tanning was bad for the skin. When we went to the beach, she used an umbrella and big hat to protect from sun and told us not to tan. BUT the fashion was to get a tan so we did not listen to my aunt.
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Plus, being Australian, she was exposed to that burning Aussie sun.......
Elle MacPherson had the same thing going on, but might have taken steps to correct the damage. Lately, she looks much better than shots from several years ago.
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Yes, Coppertone was available in #4 and #8. As you acknowledged, it did not do much and was mostly promoted to get that deep Coppertone tan. Kudos to you, kosmeds, for getting the message early and avoiding the sun. Many, many, many people of a certain age were not so fortunate and there was no internet and very little information on the long term effects of sun exposure. When one's parents threw you out on the beach with no sun protection, or Coppertone #4 (cause it smelled so nice) and no education about the long term effect of UV (because they did not know), is that one's own fault? No. The information was not available until the 1980's. Even then, the golden tan was promoted as sexy and desirable. Yes, smart people like yourself and perhaps your mother got the message but many did not (I'll include myself in this group). In my opinion, people did not really get the message until the early 1990's via the internet. I think you're great, kosmeds, and appreciate all the helpful information you provide, and yeah, without ever even seeing you I envy you and what I assume is your amazing skin due to your sun avoidance. Despite my respect and appreciation for your knowledge, to suggest to a 63 year old like Olivia Newton-John should have known better to stay out of the sun is (fill in the blank). Certainly if she KNEW what would happen to her chest at 63, she would have avoided the sun but clearly, she was not privy to this information. OK, love ya but come on!!
Children and teens were the first to know the merits of sunscreen and commit to their religious use, didn't you know? *eyeroll* I think it would be far more advantageous to focus on what she can do now to try to fix some of her sun damage rather than berate herself for the culture and knowledge of the time. 20/20 hindsight. I'm grateful that I was born in the 80's and my mom kept me covered in sunscreen growing up. I'm sure it is a big factor in why my skin looks the way it does now. That and if I do go into the sun I burn to a freckly crisp.
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I wrote it was elective because it is. It is not required for wealthy people to overexpose themselves for decades.
She is not a peasant toiling in the fields.
Your "come on" is uncalled for and offensive.
I do not have fabulous skin. I, too, baked myself in youth but I stopped at around 22. I am badly scarred but not sun damaged. While I am all scarry, the least I can do is not be wrinkly. Twenty-six years of scrupulous sun avoidance have paid off in that respect. But that will not give me back the skin I had before a doctor messed it up.
I will not be responding to your additional comments.
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I apologize kosmeds. It was not meant to be offensive. Also, I did not know about your skin and your history with an MD. Truth be told I had two glasses of red wine in me that night and (I'm a lightweight) and I'm admittedly depressed at what I've done to my skin due to my own ignorance. So my comments were obviously my "stuff" and not so much to do with you. You have been very helpful to me in the past so please accept my apology.
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Children and teens were the first to know the merits of sunscreen and commit to their religious use, didn't you know? *eyeroll* I think it would be far more advantageous to focus on what she can do now to try to fix some of her sun damage rather than berate herself for the culture and knowledge of the time. 20/20 hindsight. I'm grateful that I was born in the 80's and my mom kept me covered in sunscreen growing up. I'm sure it is a big factor in why my skin looks the way it does now. That and if I do go into the sun I burn to a freckly crisp.
Yes, agree this tactic would be more advantageous. I don't have a shrink so sometimes I find myself lamenting on internet message boards. And true, being born in the 1980's you were armed with a lot more information then people born in the 1950s and 1960s. Baby boomers were not covered in sun screen from the time they were kids. In fact, the New York Times reports that SPF 30 was not available until the early 1990's. From the article below: "Why didn’t baking boomers slather up? Turns out, the protective sunblock that we’ve doused our children with is relatively new. “In the ’60s and ’70s all we had was suntan lotion with an SPF of 2, to take a little edge off the sun,” Dr. Rigel said. “The first SPF 15 was introduced in 1986 and 30 SPF not until the early ’90s.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/fashion/16genb.html
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I think there was spf 15 sunscreen earlier than 1986. I recall using presun sunscreen gel on a skin cancer that I had removed in 1984.
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rm1961 wrote:Yes, agree this tactic would be more advantageous. I don't have a shrink so sometimes I find myself lamenting on internet message boards. And true, being born in the 1980's you were armed with a lot more information then people born in the 1950s and 1960s. Baby boomers were not covered in sun screen from the time they were kids. In fact, the New York Times reports that SPF 30 was not available until the early 1990's. From the article below: "Why didn’t baking boomers slather up? Turns out, the protective sunblock that we’ve doused our children with is relatively new. “In the ’60s and ’70s all we had was suntan lotion with an SPF of 2, to take a little edge off the sun,” Dr. Rigel said. “The first SPF 15 was introduced in 1986 and 30 SPF not until the early ’90s.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/fashion/16genb.html rm1961, I was totally agreeing with you and my eyeroll and sarcasm were directed to someone with a personality disorder who can dish it but can't take it! I agree that it is not baby boomers' fault for the sun damage they accumulated in their youth when the general population just didn't know. The damage has already been done, and the only thing to do now is to focus on fixing it as much as possible. xoxo
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Thanks for clarifying that, barbiegirl. My sun damage is pretty widespread. My face is actually probably less sun damaged than everywhere else. I'm pretty much working on "acceptance" at this point as I doubt I have the time, inclination, fortitude or money to try to attack my entire body with chemical peels and who knows what else. I'm using glycolic acid lotion on my body, and Retin A on my face. Oh and pretty much complete sun avoidance for the last three years but it's too late.
Lisa in Boston, I think you may be right. I just found a 1980 ad for PreSun with Bjorn Borg and he's holding #4, #8 and #15. Not sure if that date is accurate though...
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